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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2015, 06:01:46 PM »
Woah there alaskun, chill your beans. You made lots of assumptions. I never said the confederate flag was the worst thing ever, or that there aren't current slavery issues that I disagree with. I just said it's got racist tones, and it was rightly shamed. I can think that AND ALSO think there are other, even worse things happening.

Sounds like you have a complex.
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2015, 06:06:14 PM »
This is such a dumb argument.

Which is worse;

-  people feeling offended at the site of an inanimate object

or

- people being physically attacked/financially punished for displaying an inanimate object

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I'll lay it out straight. Life's not fair. It's not fair to black people, it's not fair to people of other races, and guess what, in a certain instances it's not fair to white people. Be glad the worst they have to deal with is the small chance that they could get 'physically attacked/financially' punished cause people wanted to wave their dumbass flag in some bullshit name of freedom. Cause this absolutely pales in comparison to people physically attacked/financially punished for simply being black.
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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2015, 06:08:59 PM »
Corbyn 4 prez!


This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2015, 09:50:02 PM »
Voting for and contributing to Bernie Sanders.

The only politician thats talking about getting rid of Citizens United (Billionaires buying politicians), raising and creating a "living wage" in this country and investing heavily in our infrastructure.

-Walker is a known union buster.
-Bush thinks the country would do better with NO minimum wage, devout trickle down believer, wants to continue the bush tax cuts.
-Trump will likely deport the guys that pick my watermelon and Ill eventually starve or be forced to eat canned beans. Also, Trump stands for everything I hate. Starting with his show, where people get a kick of watching others being belittled. Hes simply not an adult
-Ted Cruz doesnt even meet the requrements to be prez.
-Fiorina I watched during a town hall discussion and agree with her on some things like the banks being too big to fail but her track record with HP is disappointing and her stance on government is concerning.
-Rubio is a puppet

All of the other clowns in the clown car are hardly worth mentioning on the right.

Im really concerned with this election. If Sanders or another progressive doesnt win this election, I fear America is going to look more and more like a plutocracy. I think the time for tax breaks is up and the wealthy need to start paying their fair share. 30-35% BEFORE deductions just isnt enough and the only way the economy is going to do better is if we have a wage that families working 40+ hours a week can live on.
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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2015, 07:35:53 AM »
I don't think it matters who gets in, the rest of the world thinks your country is fucked up beyond all hope of rehabilitation and we're probably right.

In saying that, it sounds like Sanders is your man.
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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2015, 11:18:23 AM »
Corbyn 4 prez!


This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing

For real, although I fear middle England would agree. Amazing and depressing that neoliberalism is now so entrenched that the moderate left wing views of yesteryear are now perceived as hardcore socialism.
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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2015, 02:21:26 PM »
People die over inanimate objects everyday b.

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« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2015, 01:58:01 AM »
Corbyn 4 prez!


This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing

For real, although I fear middle England would agree. Amazing and depressing that neoliberalism is now so entrenched that the moderate left wing views of yesteryear are now perceived as hardcore socialism.

I'm thinking about joining the Labour party to vote for him, only costs a few quid. I reckon he could put some needed pressure on Cameron
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« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2015, 12:24:15 PM »
I don't trust the guy at all, don't want a celebrity for president, and I reaaally don't like some of his opinions, but what specifically do you think is wrong with what he's (Trump) saying?

I can think of a few things. (Note: He does also say things that are occasionally sane and good ideas, but he is honestly just riding the wave of popularity. My guess is he is either 1) attempting to make the other republican candidates look less crazy or 2) alienate voters from republicans to give the democrats the upper hand. It is hard to say since he has switched voting affiliations several times over the years)

  • The people coming here from Mexico are rapists/drug dealers/criminals (link)
  • He claims he will be the greatest jobs president ever created by God (link)
  • He will build a "great wall of Mexico," to be paid for by Mexico, and it will be "inexpensive" (link)
  • He claims that having a black president has lead to riots (link)
  • Talked shit about McCain, who spent 5 years as a POA when he could have left after 1 week because he refused to violate a code of honor and leave his fellow airmen behind (his family had the power to pull him out, he refused)
  • He is pro-life (maybe not a negative to some . . .) but he switched from pro-choice in 2011, which conveniently put him at odds to ObamaCare abortion funding. He wants to repeal ObamaCare, due to its expensiveness and high deductibles, which is fine and a good idea if there was another system in place (expanded Medicare, cough cough), but there is not.
  • He was opposed to providing benefits to gay couples
  • He has said a 0% tax on corporations would increase jobs (because trickle-down works so well. . .). He thinks a high corporate tax rate will move jobs overseas (probably right) but he also wants to implement a 35% import tax, so . . . 
  • He wants to cut the Dept. of Education way down and remove teacher unions (which makes total sense when you look at how much teachers are paid and the quality of the US education system. . .)
  • He thinks climate change is a hoax
  • He thinks China is our enemy, and that only Trump can beat China since he has been fucking them on trade deals for a while (I agree that we depend too much on cheap Chinese goods but to declare them the enemy???).
  • He wants to send American troops overseas to battle ISIS. He also thinks one of the biggest blunders of the US is not seizing all the oil in the middle east when we were over there, but also claims we should not have attacked Iraq

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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2015, 12:56:51 PM »
Expanding on the point you said, a large reason the corporate tax is being called out is due to the fact that the working class is subsidizing some of the biggest companies out there right now through providing food stamps, Medicaid and other assistance to people that work for companies that aren't paying their employees a living wage(Wal-Mart comes to mind). And to those people that argue that service jobs are meant to be stepping stones and not a career, I would ask why CEO pay has rapidly increased while the average workers pay hasn't even kept up with inflation. The greatest economic drive is labor, so why do we continue to pass legislation that punishes it?
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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2015, 12:51:41 PM »
I was typing shit to my old neighbor on Facebook about fucking Trump being well represented in the polls. I asked how the hell do you feel represented in the polls by a billionaire? Fucking guy isn't in the streets with the average New Yorker. I tried to explain him being an elitist but all the RWNJs wanted to say was Reed, Pelosi, etc 'were elitists who send their children to private schools, bend the constitution, and think the rule of law doesn't apply to them.' Fuck man! If you don't think this dude isn't that person you're fooling yourself.

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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2015, 04:42:36 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802

that's literally one of his talking points in every speech he gives, it's not an "exclusive"

I still don't trust the guy, but the media games against him are ridiculous

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« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2015, 09:00:23 AM »
It's a presidential election in 2015 in the US. Everybody is online and trying to get people to read their shit and the best way to do that is super controversial headlines. What do you seriously expect?
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Re: Discussion: US 2016 Elections
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2015, 02:22:00 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802

that's literally one of his talking points in every speech he gives, it's not an "exclusive"

I still don't trust the guy, but the media games against him are ridiculous
i liked when the media twisted his words so that it sounded like he said the mexican government sends rapists to the US. fuckin liberal media, amirite?

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