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The Street => The Lounge => Topic started by: U-238 on June 30, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
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This place is dead. Let's pick it up and argue about some shit that everyone likes to argue about. Politics.
I'll start. The fearless leader of my state, Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, recently announced his presidency with something over Twitter and this video (http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417216575/bobby-jindal-puts-his-kids-on-hidden-camera).
Look at that fucking video. Who thought that was a good idea? You can't even see good ol' boy Piyush behind the tree branch.
This guy wants to be president. He has taken Louisiana from a $800 million SURPLUS to a $1.6 BILLION deficit in 7 years. He has gutted health care and education. He is the reason Louisiana was the last state to come around to the gay rights ruling. He went to Brown for biology, became a Rhodes Scholar, and now does not believe in evolution. He once attempted to perform an exorcism on a person. I can't make this shit up. I honestly can't believe he can even talk with all the big business/religion nutsacks he has in his mouth at one time.
Man, I hate this dude. All you U.S. Americans need to register and vote to make sure this piece of dog shit never gets anywhere near a Washington elected office.
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Maybe he will go back to Iowa.
I can't believe Trump is out there putting in an effort. Saying some stupid stupid things, just wildin out.
If the right is so crazy about the Clinton "monarchy" but don't apply the same fucking line of thinking to the Bush monarchy.
Fucking Perry is a piece of slimy shit. So is Hilary though.
Rubio is offended by the thought climate change.
There is a damn Canadian running! Trump better break that ass and call the birth certificate issue on Cruz. United States doesn't want him anymore than Canada would take him back.
Scott Walker I think is a small man bent on his power in Wi.
Rand had an interesting economic idea about under 50k and a flat tax. That will never pass by his own hand though.
I don't know much about Sanders.
I don't know why but I sort of like Christie. I think he's probably just as corrupt as any other politician. I feel like my memories of him and balancing NJ may not be 100%. His views on climate change and social issues are nowhere as disgusting as Jindal.
That's as much as I should devote to this right now.
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I think that you poor bastards are in for an even worse period of clusterfuckism than when Dubya was in charge. We are also eager for you to an elect a total fucking ditz so you can once again rise to the challenge of claiming Dumbest Leader in the World for the next 4 years.
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It's a freak show for the most part. Fucking Trump climbing in the polls? Fucking hell. He may be the leader we deserve.
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Sanders is a fucking baller. He has a super solid voting record and is the best candidate by far (in my middle class, liberal, socialist opinion). I would definitely recommend checking out what he has to say.
He is planning on running under the Democratic banner so he will be in direct opposition with Hilary in the primaries. I really don't like Hilary. She, like almost all other politicians, is a fucking slave to money. It is honestly unthinkable at this point that she will not win: She is super-well funded, she would be the first women in office, she has "experience" (she is very experienced in foreign affairs, I'll give her that) and she is a Clinton. People fucking love Bill Clinton.
I personally think that it is ridiculous that we, as a nation of 300+ million, with only 43 presidents, could potentially have the wife of a past president and the brother AND son of past presidents running this year. How the fuck is that democracy? We essentially have ruling families.
And the people fielded by the Republicans, I mean, come on. Is it really that hard to find one person who kind of normal and possibly even sane? Donald Trump? Cruz? Jindal? Scott Walker???
Rand Paul's tax idea was good and bad. Taxing the lower class less, since they have less, good - they will just put this money back into the economy. Removing loopholes, also good - but this plan doesn't remove as many loopholes as you would expect. Taxing the rich and corporations less? Not good, and would lead to multi-trillion dollars of deficit in a decade unless the government is gutted. His plan favors the rich. It also "favors" the poor with the tax break, unlike almost every other plan out there, so it might actually get him some votes.
Sadly, it is probably the best tax plan to date. It is a step in the right direction.
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Sanders is the only one I would realistically consider voting for.
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Is there a law saying that the president have to be christian? This has always confused me.
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There's no law requiring the president to be of any religion.
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Sanders is the only one I would realistically consider voting for.
Vote for him in the primaries! He just packed a crowd of 10,000 in a 300,000 population town in Wisconsin. No one else has come close to that yet. His name is getting out there. He has a slim shot of making it through the primaries, but it gets better and better as more people hear about him.
If the young and other disenfranchised voters can make an appearance in the primaries, he has a good chance. Sadly, our generation currently sucks at voting.
Is there a law saying that the president have to be christian? This has always confused me.
No, but many people in the US would never even consider voting for someone who is not Christian. Below are the results of a recent Gallup poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles).
Since Bernie is a socialist, this makes me sad.
(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/6bdstjdogu2cb2zu35rrmw.png)
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Wow. Im amazed how far down the list an atheist comes. It amazed me how religious the us can be.
That being said I would probably vote against religeous politicians in favor for atheist if there ever were any outspoken religeous people here
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a good oil painting of modern-day jesse ventura would look pretty (pre-1900s) presidential...
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Even though I'd like Bernie Sanders to win solely based on his track record. I don't know if America is really ready for someone with his beliefs to hold office.
Everyone else is a corporate goon that's there to keep the status quo. I think election are even less exciting now cause people generally accept that as truth.
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Even though I'd like Bernie Sanders to win solely based on his track record. I don't know if America is really ready for someone with his beliefs to hold office.
Everyone else is a corporate goon that's there to keep the status quo. I think election are even less exciting now cause people generally accept that as truth.
People I've talked to are pretty in line with his way of thinking. I just think most people don't think he has a chance to win so they'll end up tossing their vote to their preferred party. Also, I think if he did get into office he'd have a hard time getting anything done due to push back from congress.
Either way, this is the first election I'm participating in (shameful, I know) and I'm throwing my hat in for him
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Also in it for Bernie Sanders. This is the first election where I'm backing someone I actually agree with rather than going for the lesser of two evils, if he makes it past the primaries...
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Either way, this is the first election I'm participating in (shameful, I know) and I'm throwing my hat in for him
Not shameful, that is great! If more people think the same thing then it is possible the young voters and other disillusioned voters might go out in force and really push Sanders through.
Just make sure you vote in the primaries, that is the one that is going to matter for Sanders.
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Either way, this is the first election I'm participating in (shameful, I know) and I'm throwing my hat in for him
Not shameful, that is great! If more people think the same thing then it is possible the young voters and other disillusioned voters might go out in force and really push Sanders through.
Just make sure you vote in the primaries, that is the one that is going to matter for Sanders.
When are primaries typically held?
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Somewhat on topic, I know that presidents can only have 2 consecutive terms. But after someone else takes up office, can they run for the next election? Or is it two terms, even if non-consecutive a la Grover Cleveland.
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Just two terms for presidency.
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People I've talked to are pretty in line with his way of thinking. I just think most people don't think he has a chance to win so they'll end up tossing their vote to their preferred party. Also, I think if he did get into office he'd have a hard time getting anything done due to push back from congress.
I just think he's this years Ron Paul.
The best we can hope from all this is that he pushes new ideas to the forefront and creates a different model for progressives to rally behind. Eventually people in similar line of thinking can win local and state elections which would make the rest of the country more open to his ideas he started. Kind of like how Ron Paul forced a merge with the growing Libertarian movement(he pretty much reinvigorated) to the Republican party platform.
I hope that Bernie makes it far and gets a lot of traction and press. Even though I truly think his ideas are too radical for most of America(like you said most of Congress would never agree), it's solid thinking none the less. The man lives what he speaks, he could truly invoke real change through that alone and doesn't need the White House seat to make that difference. He just needs a platform for him to bring those thoughts to mainstream America. Evolution not revolution.
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dont forget about mike huckabee, the guy who, as governor, helped get a rapist paroled so that he could go out and rape/murder another woman.
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Isn't he a big natural gas/fracking advocate/investor?
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I can't believe all the bullshit that you hear the right say about Obama and there is traction behind Trump. That motherfucker is a corrupt swindling piece of dookie and the conservative right apparently thinks that's okay in favor of the Regan team to re-empower the white man.
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Isn't he a big natural gas/fracking advocate/investor?
And the matter with fracking is?
(I'm biased since natural gas and crude oil companies pay my bills)
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I would say fucking up local water tables is a big one, the ability to set your tap water on fire, etc, etc.
I am all for sound science and have no doubt that fracking can be done safely and properly, but is this the case in the real world? If it were, there would be no accidents. Water is too precious to fuck with. There is a big movement against fracking here in Aus...whether the science says it is ok or not, public opinion plays a big part and in this case I am with majority opinion. I don't want to see our farmland put at risk (no matter how small that risk is portrayed to be).
Also, I just want to vent about coal mines while we are on the topic of fucking up water tables and farmland. FUCK COAL MINES, ESPECIALLY IN THE VICINITY OF PRIME AGRICULTURAL LAND.
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I can't believe all the bullshit that you hear the right say about Obama and there is traction behind Trump. That motherfucker is a corrupt swindling piece of dookie and the conservative right apparently thinks that's okay in favor of the Regan team to re-empower the white man.
Trump and the people who support him deserve each other.
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When are primaries typically held?
It varies greatly depending on your state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Schedule_of_primaries_and_caucuses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Schedule_of_primaries_and_caucuses)
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I can't believe people are stoked on shit Trump is saying.
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I can't believe people are stoked on shit Trump is saying.
I don't trust the guy at all, don't want a celebrity for president, and I reaaally don't like some of his opinions, but what specifically do you think is wrong with what he's saying?
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Things like 'no one's bigger or better at the military than I am'. Offering military support to Libya in exchange for exclusive oil rights. Saying stupid things as a celebrity is a whole different thing than as the commander in chief of the USA.
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I can't believe people are stoked on shit Trump is saying.
Hard not to get stoked on shit that actually makes sense.
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I don't know. In my mind the only people who could be down with Trump are racists and dumb bigots scared of someone coming to take their guns and confederate flags or the US army invading Texas or having someone any shade darker than ivory moving in next door.
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sanders for sure... even tho it will hardly concern me at all and i am not allowed to vote i the states this guy seems to be a really smart choice
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the only people who could be down with Trump are racists and dumb bigots scared of someone coming to take their guns and confederate flags
are you insane? You understand people ARE trying very hard to take guns, right? That they HAVE banned/shamed the flag and people ARE being assaulted/robbed/murdered over it (by extreme racists, no less) ?
being afraid of those things is dumb/racist/bigoted... how?
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Let's just revolt.
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Banned/shamed a flag with deep roots in slavery and racism? You poor souls.
Seeing the American elections makes me realise how relative political scales are - what is being touted as leftist socialist whatever in America would be considered centre-right in the UK and Europe.
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I realize there's a big push for gun control. I can't say that I care either way.
The flag, though, seeing as it's a universally recognized symbol of racism, slavery, violence and white supremacists deserves all the shame and dishonor it has received.
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seeing as it's a universally recognized symbol of racism, slavery, violence
Banned/shamed a flag with deep roots in slavery and racism? You poor souls.
saudi arabia, qatar, FIFA, Apple/most electronics... where's the outrage against CURRENT racism/slavery/violence? Not to mention the lord and savior obama's support for terrorist groups who have child armies performing mass executions, are openly killing off tens of thousands of christians/nonmuslims, and regularly promoting terror attacks throughout the world?
you fucking retards are all of the sudden acting like white people and their flag [nevermind all the blacks who support it/have proud family history linked to it, right? they're racist too?] are the worst/need to be put in their place for stuff that happened generations ago, while completely ignoring things that are just as bad or worse that are happening right now, and you're acting like the people who are concerned about it are the crazies/bigots?
I wonder how people in syria, libya, egypt, tunisia, yemen, etc, would feel if you showed them a confederate flag, VS how they would feel seeing an obama, mccain, or clinton bumper sticker?
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Corbyn 4 prez!
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Banned/shamed a flag with deep roots in slavery and racism? You poor souls.
the banning per se isn't the issue. there ARE actual victims, and there will be more. who's going to take responsibility for all this new black on black/black on white violence popping up now that the flag is an excuse to assault/rob/murder someone? Or is that white people's fault too?
Mississippi to Investigate Death of a Black Man Who Raised Confederate Flag (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/us/mississippi-to-investigate-death-of-a-black-man-who-raised-confederate-flag.html)
'political correctness' is getting people killed, and people like you are only making it worse. Meanwhile your supposed grievances are NOTHING compared to stuff going on right this second as a result of people like you supporting blatant conmen/pc-panderers/race baiters...
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People love to deflect, and not talk about problems. This is basic america at its best. Avoid talking about obvious problems and shit will never get better.
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you fucking retards are all of the sudden acting like white people and their flag [nevermind all the blacks who support it/have proud family history linked to it, right? they're racist too?]
This is such a dumb argument. Do the white people with Southern heritage who think the flag is offensive, do their opinions not matter? Cause I'll tell you right now, there are a TON more white Southerners who think the flag is offensive than their are black counterparts but they're probably brainwashed by the liberal media right?
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This is such a dumb argument.
Which is worse;
- people feeling offended at the site of an inanimate object
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- people being physically attacked/financially punished for displaying an inanimate object
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You make it sound up there like people can't feel outrage at both past and present day slavery.
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Woah there alaskun, chill your beans. You made lots of assumptions. I never said the confederate flag was the worst thing ever, or that there aren't current slavery issues that I disagree with. I just said it's got racist tones, and it was rightly shamed. I can think that AND ALSO think there are other, even worse things happening.
Sounds like you have a complex.
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This is such a dumb argument.
Which is worse;
- people feeling offended at the site of an inanimate object
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- people being physically attacked/financially punished for displaying an inanimate object
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I'll lay it out straight. Life's not fair. It's not fair to black people, it's not fair to people of other races, and guess what, in a certain instances it's not fair to white people. Be glad the worst they have to deal with is the small chance that they could get 'physically attacked/financially' punished cause people wanted to wave their dumbass flag in some bullshit name of freedom. Cause this absolutely pales in comparison to people physically attacked/financially punished for simply being black.
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Corbyn 4 prez!
This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing
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Voting for and contributing to Bernie Sanders.
The only politician thats talking about getting rid of Citizens United (Billionaires buying politicians), raising and creating a "living wage" in this country and investing heavily in our infrastructure.
-Walker is a known union buster.
-Bush thinks the country would do better with NO minimum wage, devout trickle down believer, wants to continue the bush tax cuts.
-Trump will likely deport the guys that pick my watermelon and Ill eventually starve or be forced to eat canned beans. Also, Trump stands for everything I hate. Starting with his show, where people get a kick of watching others being belittled. Hes simply not an adult
-Ted Cruz doesnt even meet the requrements to be prez.
-Fiorina I watched during a town hall discussion and agree with her on some things like the banks being too big to fail but her track record with HP is disappointing and her stance on government is concerning.
-Rubio is a puppet
All of the other clowns in the clown car are hardly worth mentioning on the right.
Im really concerned with this election. If Sanders or another progressive doesnt win this election, I fear America is going to look more and more like a plutocracy. I think the time for tax breaks is up and the wealthy need to start paying their fair share. 30-35% BEFORE deductions just isnt enough and the only way the economy is going to do better is if we have a wage that families working 40+ hours a week can live on.
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I don't think it matters who gets in, the rest of the world thinks your country is fucked up beyond all hope of rehabilitation and we're probably right.
In saying that, it sounds like Sanders is your man.
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Corbyn 4 prez!
This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing
For real, although I fear middle England would agree. Amazing and depressing that neoliberalism is now so entrenched that the moderate left wing views of yesteryear are now perceived as hardcore socialism.
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People die over inanimate objects everyday b.
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Corbyn 4 prez!
This gem got lost in the madness. Corbyn is awesome, the US would probably think he is speaking a different language though seeing as they perceive Obama as left wing
For real, although I fear middle England would agree. Amazing and depressing that neoliberalism is now so entrenched that the moderate left wing views of yesteryear are now perceived as hardcore socialism.
I'm thinking about joining the Labour party to vote for him, only costs a few quid. I reckon he could put some needed pressure on Cameron
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I don't trust the guy at all, don't want a celebrity for president, and I reaaally don't like some of his opinions, but what specifically do you think is wrong with what he's (Trump) saying?
I can think of a few things. (Note: He does also say things that are occasionally sane and good ideas, but he is honestly just riding the wave of popularity. My guess is he is either 1) attempting to make the other republican candidates look less crazy or 2) alienate voters from republicans to give the democrats the upper hand. It is hard to say since he has switched voting affiliations several times over the years)
- The people coming here from Mexico are rapists/drug dealers/criminals (link) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/06/17/trumps-mexican-rapists-will-keep-the-republican-party-out-of-the-white-house/)
- He claims he will be the greatest jobs president ever created by God (link) (http://nypost.com/2015/06/16/i-will-be-the-greatest-jobs-president-that-god-ever-created-trump/)
- He will build a "great wall of Mexico," to be paid for by Mexico, and it will be "inexpensive" (link) (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trumps-border-wall-would-cost-billions-n396551)
- He claims that having a black president has lead to riots (link) (http://www.eonline.com/news/667582/donald-trump-slams-presidential-competition-reveals-his-plan-to-bomb-the-hell-out-of-isis)
- Talked shit about McCain, who spent 5 years as a POA when he could have left after 1 week because he refused to violate a code of honor and leave his fellow airmen behind (his family had the power to pull him out, he refused)
- He is pro-life (maybe not a negative to some . . .) but he switched from pro-choice in 2011, which conveniently put him at odds to ObamaCare abortion funding. He wants to repeal ObamaCare, due to its expensiveness and high deductibles, which is fine and a good idea if there was another system in place (expanded Medicare, cough cough), but there is not.
- He was opposed to providing benefits to gay couples
- He has said a 0% tax on corporations would increase jobs (because trickle-down works so well. . .). He thinks a high corporate tax rate will move jobs overseas (probably right) but he also wants to implement a 35% import tax, so . . .
- He wants to cut the Dept. of Education way down and remove teacher unions (which makes total sense when you look at how much teachers are paid and the quality of the US education system. . .)
- He thinks climate change is a hoax
- He thinks China is our enemy, and that only Trump can beat China since he has been fucking them on trade deals for a while (I agree that we depend too much on cheap Chinese goods but to declare them the enemy???).
- He wants to send American troops overseas to battle ISIS. He also thinks one of the biggest blunders of the US is not seizing all the oil in the middle east when we were over there, but also claims we should not have attacked Iraq
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Expanding on the point you said, a large reason the corporate tax is being called out is due to the fact that the working class is subsidizing some of the biggest companies out there right now through providing food stamps, Medicaid and other assistance to people that work for companies that aren't paying their employees a living wage(Wal-Mart comes to mind). And to those people that argue that service jobs are meant to be stepping stones and not a career, I would ask why CEO pay has rapidly increased while the average workers pay hasn't even kept up with inflation. The greatest economic drive is labor, so why do we continue to pass legislation that punishes it?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802
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I was typing shit to my old neighbor on Facebook about fucking Trump being well represented in the polls. I asked how the hell do you feel represented in the polls by a billionaire? Fucking guy isn't in the streets with the average New Yorker. I tried to explain him being an elitist but all the RWNJs wanted to say was Reed, Pelosi, etc 'were elitists who send their children to private schools, bend the constitution, and think the rule of law doesn't apply to them.' Fuck man! If you don't think this dude isn't that person you're fooling yourself.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802
that's literally one of his talking points in every speech he gives, it's not an "exclusive"
I still don't trust the guy, but the media games against him are ridiculous
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It's a presidential election in 2015 in the US. Everybody is online and trying to get people to read their shit and the best way to do that is super controversial headlines. What do you seriously expect?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-trump-exclusive-idUSKCN0Q62RQ20150802
that's literally one of his talking points in every speech he gives, it's not an "exclusive"
I still don't trust the guy, but the media games against him are ridiculous
i liked when the media twisted his words so that it sounded like he said the mexican government sends rapists to the US. fuckin liberal media, amirite?
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I kind of want to vote for Donald Trump.
I like how he represents an outside voice. Sure's he son of a multi millionaire and he's more celebrity than politician but I think he's the best candidate solely cause he's not a tangled in the mess that you know everyone else. He has enough money, so he's not motivated by that. I'd vote Republican him over Hillary anyday.
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Just when everyone thought you guys couldn't get dumber than Bush Jr...
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I kind of want to vote for Donald Trump.
I like how he represents an outside voice. Sure's he son of a multi millionaire and he's more celebrity than politician but I think he's the best candidate solely cause he's not a tangled in the mess that you know everyone else. He has enough money, so he's not motivated by that. I'd vote Republican him over Hillary anyday.
I don't have a clue how people associate representation with him.
Similarly, how do you think this guy who hustles all his shit everywhere is not motivated by money? Bush 2: The Revenge was not a billionaire but he also was no peasant. Would you also say he wasn't concerned with money? It may not be cowering to a lobby for campaign finances but putting shit like Halliburton in for rebuilding Iraq. I have not a single doubt the corruption of Trumph would be present.
Awarding federal contracts without bids to compare costs is absolutely corruption. This is the type of money issue I see, not the campaign one. Fuck, there's probably a lot more money to be made if he gets an hour show for a TV broadcast season. The Trump Presidential Reality Show.
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I don't have a clue how people associate representation with him.
Similarly, how do you think this guy who hustles all his shit everywhere is not motivated by money? Bush 2: The Revenge was not a billionaire but he also was no peasant. Would you also say he wasn't concerned with money? It may not be cowering to a lobby for campaign finances but putting shit like Halliburton in for rebuilding Iraq. I have not a single doubt the corruption of Trumph would be present.
Awarding federal contracts without bids to compare costs is absolutely corruption. This is the type of money issue I see, not the campaign one. Fuck, there's probably a lot more money to be made if he gets an hour show for a TV broadcast season. The Trump Presidential Reality Show.
I honestly think at this point he's more motivated by ego/legacy than money, which I don't think is too bad. He says what he wants, he does what he wants, hes got a lot of gutso that is missing from the average candidate for a long time. EVERY president is gonna piss off somebody, I'd rather have a person who can own it and face it than side skirt everything in some bullshit politically correct move.
We've needed an outsider who isn't afraid to face Washington and to me Trump represents that. If he's so inclined to do more the same than the Republican Party wouldn't be trying to oust him.
Plus I don't think Bush Jr. was ever a bad guy. A terrible president but only cause he was just a easily controlled crony that played president so the real evil party highers up could get away with their terrible stuff and he'd just be scapegoat.
Bernie vs. Trump would be hard for me to choose...
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Interview with Bernie Sanders for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA
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I don't have a clue how people associate representation with him.
Similarly, how do you think this guy who hustles all his shit everywhere is not motivated by money? Bush 2: The Revenge was not a billionaire but he also was no peasant. Would you also say he wasn't concerned with money? It may not be cowering to a lobby for campaign finances but putting shit like Halliburton in for rebuilding Iraq. I have not a single doubt the corruption of Trumph would be present.
Awarding federal contracts without bids to compare costs is absolutely corruption. This is the type of money issue I see, not the campaign one. Fuck, there's probably a lot more money to be made if he gets an hour show for a TV broadcast season. The Trump Presidential Reality Show.
I honestly think at this point he's more motivated by ego/legacy than money, which I don't think is too bad. He says what he wants, he does what he wants, hes got a lot of gutso that is missing from the average candidate for a long time. EVERY president is gonna piss off somebody, I'd rather have a person who can own it and face it than side skirt everything in some bullshit politically correct move.
We've needed an outsider who isn't afraid to face Washington and to me Trump represents that. If he's so inclined to do more the same than the Republican Party wouldn't be trying to oust him.
Plus I don't think Bush Jr. was ever a bad guy. A terrible president but only cause he was just a easily controlled crony that played president so the real evil party highers up could get away with their terrible stuff and he'd just be scapegoat.
Bernie vs. Trump would be hard for me to choose...
You're saying that it wouldn't be too bad to put an egomaniac sociopath in charge of the most lethal fighting force the world has ever seen including enough nukes to end life on earth, the most influential diplomatic apparatus in the world and the largest world economy in size and impact.
The dude is incapable of empathy and can't relate whatsoever to how normal people live. It's probably reasonable to assume he's filled with nothing but contempt for us. He's constantly talking out of his ass and then he's too gutless to admit he's wrong, let alone apologize, regardless of how absurd, offensive or delusional his comments are. You say he has guts because he's confrontational, rude and unapologetic but his behavior is not fueled courage at all. It's fueled by an ego bigger than any of us could ever imagine, bigger than America.
Concepts like Nation or Country mean nothing to him because in Trump's mind he transcends those ideas. He sees himself as a supranational entity. Nothing is bigger than himself.
If Trump was inexplicably elected president it would be a disaster of apocalyptic proportions. The political, economic, social, and environmental devastation would be unprecedented.
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You're saying that it wouldn't be too bad to put an egomaniac sociopath in charge of the most lethal fighting force the world has ever seen including enough nukes to end life on earth, the most influential diplomatic apparatus in the world and the largest world economy in size and impact.
The dude is incapable of empathy and can't relate whatsoever to how normal people live. It's probably reasonable to assume he's filled with nothing but contempt for us. He's constantly talking out of his ass and then he's too gutless to admit he's wrong, let alone apologize, regardless of how absurd, offensive or delusional his comments are. You say he has guts because he's confrontational, rude and unapologetic but his behavior is not fueled courage at all. It's fueled by an ego bigger than any of us could ever imagine, bigger than America.
Concepts like Nation or Country mean nothing to him because in Trump's mind he transcends those ideas. He sees himself as a supranational entity. Nothing is bigger than himself.
If Trump was inexplicably elected president it would be a disaster of apocalyptic proportions. The political, economic, social, and environmental devastation would be unprecedented.
This kind of thinking is what's wrong with the political system. 'Apocalypitc', 'egomanic sociopath', 'seeing himself as a supranational entity', these are all words used by extremists which isn't what democracy is about.
People hate on Trump, he's an asshole, he's a billionaire, he's shameless, he's so fucking American its sickening... but thats all qualities that could help things get done. There is not an alternative candidate out there outside of Bernie Sanders(i'll get to him in a second) that you know has the will to change the system and thats why him and Trump are the only names people really care about. The difference him and Bernie is that Trump can work systems incredibly well, hell he got to a point where people are scared he's running for office. A lot of his charade acts are just him pandering to the market that will be most likely voting for him and you know what as terrible as it sounds that what it takes sometimes.
I love me some Bernie but hes too noble. He's inflexible, his ideas are too strong for this time. His presidency will be absolutely fruitless cause no one is gonna back him on anything. He even admits this and says that he needs people to actively help him out if he wins, guess what people suck.
Thats why I lean towards Trump. He's a bit tyranical in his ways but somewhere I truly truly hope that there is a side to him where he means wellhttp://americablog.com/2015/07/donald-trump-hired-illegal-immigrants-to-build-his-new-luxury-hotel-because-of-course-he-did.html (http://americablog.com/2015/07/donald-trump-hired-illegal-immigrants-to-build-his-new-luxury-hotel-because-of-course-he-did.html). He just comes off as a 'the end justifies the means' type.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/r-trumps-plan-for-islamic-state-put-a-ring-around-it-2015-8
Trump's plan for ISIS is what we all accused Bush for instigating Iraq. 'Send lives in and the USA will take their oil. They won't have money to continue operations. Boom! Okay?'
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You're saying that it wouldn't be too bad to put an egomaniac sociopath in charge of the most lethal fighting force the world has ever seen including enough nukes to end life on earth, the most influential diplomatic apparatus in the world and the largest world economy in size and impact.
The dude is incapable of empathy and can't relate whatsoever to how normal people live. It's probably reasonable to assume he's filled with nothing but contempt for us. He's constantly talking out of his ass and then he's too gutless to admit he's wrong, let alone apologize, regardless of how absurd, offensive or delusional his comments are. You say he has guts because he's confrontational, rude and unapologetic but his behavior is not fueled courage at all. It's fueled by an ego bigger than any of us could ever imagine, bigger than America.
Concepts like Nation or Country mean nothing to him because in Trump's mind he transcends those ideas. He sees himself as a supranational entity. Nothing is bigger than himself.
If Trump was inexplicably elected president it would be a disaster of apocalyptic proportions. The political, economic, social, and environmental devastation would be unprecedented.
This kind of thinking is what's wrong with the political system. 'Apocalypitc', 'egomanic sociopath', 'seeing himself as a supranational entity', these are all words used by extremists which isn't what democracy is about.
People hate on Trump, he's an asshole, he's a billionaire, he's shameless, he's so fucking American its sickening... but thats all qualities that could help things get done. There is not an alternative candidate out there outside of Bernie Sanders(i'll get to him in a second) that you know has the will to change the system and thats why him and Trump are the only names people really care about. The difference him and Bernie is that Trump can work systems incredibly well, hell he got to a point where people are scared he's running for office. A lot of his charade acts are just him pandering to the market that will be most likely voting for him and you know what as terrible as it sounds that what it takes sometimes.
I love me some Bernie but hes too noble. He's inflexible, his ideas are too strong for this time. His presidency will be absolutely fruitless cause no one is gonna back him on anything. He even admits this and says that he needs people to actively help him out if he wins, guess what people suck.
Thats why I lean towards Trump. He's a bit tyranical in his ways but somewhere I truly truly hope that there is a side to him where he means wellhttp://americablog.com/2015/07/donald-trump-hired-illegal-immigrants-to-build-his-new-luxury-hotel-because-of-course-he-did.html (http://americablog.com/2015/07/donald-trump-hired-illegal-immigrants-to-build-his-new-luxury-hotel-because-of-course-he-did.html). He just comes off as a 'the end justifies the means' type.
Ok, I give you that I might have taken some rhetorical liberties with my adjectives but I still feel they are mostly accurate and I stand by my point which is that Trump in totally unqualified for the position.
I don't know dude, I don't think a 'the end justifies the means' type is what you want in an office where he might find himself facing profound ethical dilemmas involving the lives of millions. At some point tough decisions may need to be made and you want the person making them to struggle with them, not just take them lightly because he's a not-give-a-fuck kind of guy. I just don't see Trump as a man with integrity.
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trump would absolutely destroy the american middle class. he has no regard for the regular working people of this country whatsoever.
edit: no way bernie can lose now.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/lil-b-based-god-black-lives-matter-clinton-sanders/
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If you think for one second that Trump is going to rule America for Americans, you're a flat out moron.
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Sounds similar to the Nigel Farage mania that happened a few months before the UK elections.
He didn't even win his own constituency in the end.
Trump is great entertainment now, but when it comes down to it nearer the time a real politician will beat him
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condrbkr, you might want to check out this podcast. Dan Carlin shares some of your opinions about him being an outsider and that being a good thing. I can't remember if he says anything about the guy's policies (I am desperately afraid this guy has a chance to do anything besides disrupting the republican party) but it's pretty interesting stuff regardless: http://podbay.fm/show/155974141/e/1439016488?autostart=1
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I listened to that the other day. The be "at 11 to set yourself apart from the GOP then at election appear more moderate" never occurred to me.
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http://madworldnews.com/airlines-terminally-ill-boy-trump/ (http://madworldnews.com/airlines-terminally-ill-boy-trump/)
Sometimes the biggest asshole is the biggest softy in the inside... but sometimes they're a sociopath.
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I hear trump will give the native's their land back if you vote for him.
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There was a emperor who recently conquered the lands. As he was going on tour to view his newly acquired kingdom he was met with the cheers of citizens all over. He was applauded everywhere he went but only stopped once whe he saw an old man working his field. His bodyguards took this as a sign of dissent against the new emperor and arrested the old man and brought him in. The emperor asks the man 'Are you not happy that I am the new Emperor?', 'I have come relieve you of your peasant life'. The old man simply replied 'I have seen many Emperors come and go and they always promise the same, pardon me I have to get my field ready for I don't know if I'll have enough for me when you come and take your share'. Vote Libertarian.
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having only watched cnn (when tv was on in hotel) for the past week, i get the impression it's trump or nowt. at least thats what the non stop coverage of him seems to suggest. i thought cnn were centre/left leaning but maybe they are just sensationalist.
edit: to be clear i am english and went to canada for a week.
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Anybody catch his CNN interview? He's gonna deal with ISIS and steal their oil for America, then pay lots of money to the families of soldiers that die in his quick and effective quelling of extremism!
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He's a visionary in military strategy and diplomacy.
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he's nuts and just picks fights with anyone. i hope its the celebrity factor that's meaning he can pull in the massive crowds and not that people believe he will actually be a good president.
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I've had some stupid fucking talks with my neighbor and his friends about him. They're 100% behind this fuck.
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Haterzzz. Seriously it doesn't matter who gets elected really but I just like that Trump seems to have some backbone. Trump is a don.
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While I think the electoral college nullifies a popular vote, there are some aspects a representative takes on.
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I think Trump vs. Sanders would be awesome. Having no multi-million dollar backed career politicians fighting for big money would be great. Sanders doesn't want or like big money, Trump is big money and doesn't give a fuck.
I'd also like it if it was Sanders (democrat), anyone (republican) and Trump (independent). Trump would take away so many republican votes.
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I think Trump vs. Sanders would be awesome. Having no multi-million dollar backed career politicians fighting for big money would be great. Sanders doesn't want or like big money, Trump is big money and doesn't give a fuck.
this is like saying "i wish i could vote for the koch brothers". trump is the billionaire backing the politicians. why would you want him to be in charge?
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I just like that Trump seems to have some backbone. Trump is a don.
He's got a backbone because he's up there spouting out crap that is in his own best interest so of course he's going to say it with more conviction than a political puppet. He also is in a win win situation, because even if he doesn't become candidate, he's got the publicity. He could say literally anything.
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Duke isn't going to have that same turned up to 11 backbone if he gets through primaries.
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I am so hoping he will. I just don't see why anyone thinks he's any worse than any other candidate excluding Sanders.
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I am so hoping he will. I just don't see why anyone thinks he's any worse than any other candidate excluding Sanders.
i think the biggest factor is we know all about trump and his previous activities, it's not often you get a 'celebrity' candidate. he is also openly a terrible person and someone who would be a terrible president, so there's that.
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I wish there would come a Democrat whose not a complete pussy but a scary democrat is gonna seem too commie for middle America. Oh well… I still like Trump… he's got pazazz.
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None of the candidates appeal to me. I'll vote for DEEZ NUTZ
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Everyone gave up on politics cause they realize it's pointless. Trump 2016!
In all honesty... I like Trump only cause we should realize what kind of shitty predicament we put ourselves in and should live with that. How a modern society like us ended up feeding this complete dumbass into a position of power. Beauty of checks and balances is that even if he were to be elected he wouldn't be able to push any weight saying that he is not on good terms with either party, which would probably lead to 4 years of stagnant bullshit
.People have always been too complacent. Get to a point when neither are available that's when change will start to happen. Do I want him to win? God no but I do wanna see how long this shit show will drag on and hopefully people will widen up. We really got to a point where a reality TV show host is a contender for presidency. At least Reagan did Cinema! 2016 is gonna be greattttt
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I do not understand how people use the way he talks as reason for support. He certainly doesn't do himself any intellectual favors through his tweets.
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Trumps popularity just reinforces how little politics has to do with policy
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VOTE 1 Truuuuuuuump, Cruz has dropped out to pursue his serial killing career.
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Oh, Rafael... Poor scary undead Rafael. You'll be missed.
http://youtu.be/v75wCTMZoSY
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A choice of Trump or Clinton, god bless America.
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A choice of Trump or Clinton, god bless America.
At least there's Gary Johnson. Hope the Libertarians manage to get into all the States.
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the president we deserve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE
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A choice of Trump or Clinton, god bless America.
At least there's Gary Johnson. Hope the Libertarians manage to get into all the States.
as much as I wish this would happen, it won't :(
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Any strides we made in reconciling the worlds view of US hubris is about to take a flying leap backwards isn't it?
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You ain't reconciled shit, we all still think you're lunatics.
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Ya Done Fucked Up. So many US customers of mine are terrified everyone will think they're idiots because they're about to elect 1 of 2 head idiots.
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reading back through some of condors rational for why trump is a good choice....i feel sorry for you americans who arent complete mongs. trumps gonna happen because your general populous are too stupid to understand the implications and youre all going to have to pay the price. that sucks, im sorry
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david cameron (the pigfucking prime minister of britain) is refusing to apologise for calling trump stupid, this is going to be mad.
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fuck cameron an all, though calling out trump is probably like the first decent thing hes done
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reading back through some of condors rational for why trump is a good choice....i feel sorry for you americans who arent complete mongs. trumps gonna happen because your general populous are too stupid to understand the implications and youre all going to have to pay the price. that sucks, im sorry
Yeah, it's pretty shit. Trump is really just operating on the fear that small town people have towards other races, sexualities, religions, etc. He's just saying all the racist, xenophobic shit they've been saying to their buddies behind closed doors. I grew up in a really small conservative town and the shit I see posted by people I knew, it's really mind blowing. This place is nowhere near the border, probably 99% Christian and 95% white, and they go on and on about illegals, "muslums", trans people, and all of a sudden they give a shit about Andrew Jackson. I can guarantee almost none of them have ever met a muslim, ever seen, much less interacted with, a trans person, and I know for a fact illegals are not taking anyone's jobs there. What gets me most is that these are the people who would most greatly benefit from a more democratic socialist form of government. Lower to middle class Republicans drive me crazy in that sense. They're the ones who would be hurt the most trying to pay for college, pay for health care. Republicans create trade agreements that fuck American workers, they try to bust up unions, they help the companies who robbed American workers of their retirements. But some cheeto in a wig is spouting hate speech, that's their guy??? It boggles the mind.
What's worse is that we couldn't even get Bernie in there to battle him. People fucking hate Hillary, I honestly have no idea how she's winning the Democratic nod. I have a bunch of liberal and democrat friends and I haven't seen one single person who's pro-Hillary. Now you've got a huge chunk of people who would be voting Sanders who will not vote for the lying, career politician that is Hillary.
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the backlash and hate towards trans people at the moment over who can use what bathrooms is fuckin horrible. no time ever has a paedophile used trans friendly bathroom laws to abuse kids. its not a thing that happens (well there is a possibility that it might occur in isolatated cases in the near future, but only as a result of stupid transphobic people going on about it a shitload and putting it into the heads of sick bastards in the first place).
in most cases its gonna cause issues when people get confused seeing a man who is forced to use the womens bathroom because he was born with female genetalia (or vice versa), and then end up further interrogating and harassing the poor person making them explain that they are trans gender and not in fact a sexual predator as idiots have led each other to believe. like trans people havent got enough shit to deal with already ffs.
sorry that was a tangent but i get sick of seeing this kind of stupid shit on the internet. "oh why cant we just keep things simple with 2 genders" who fuckin cares how other people want to identify themselves? it doesnt affect you, let them get on with it, grow up. seems like as the general populous finally starts to come to terms with the fact that its ok for people to be gay, they have to find somewhere else to direct their hate towards alongside the old classics: "people from other religions", and "people who dont look like me".
fuck people [/rant]
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They have Gender Neutral toilets at my work now, I think I'm the only person that uses them because no one knows who they're actually for. It's pretty sweet, they don't stink and are always squeaky clean.
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We have gender neutral toilets in the sense that if the Men's is occupied, I use the Women's.
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in most cases its gonna cause issues when people get confused seeing a man who is forced to use the womens bathroom because he was born with female genetalia (or vice versa), and then end up further interrogating and harassing the poor person making them explain that they are trans gender and not in fact a sexual predator as idiots have led each other to believe. like trans people havent got enough shit to deal with already ffs.
I tried explaining this to some guy ranting about trans people and the bathroom, saying they need to use the one they were born to, stating he's going to be watching the bathrooms, making sure no dudes or trans people enter. I said "You do realize that a trans woman (born with a vagina) will look like a guy. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to use the bathroom they identify with so it won't cause confusion? He basically came back with something about how the safety of his kids was more important, just diverted. Drives me crazy how often people are citing their kids safety as an excuse to be transphobic.
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Fucking breeders.
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Fucking breeders.
There's videos of dads "standing guard" at the Target bathrooms, not allowing women to go in while their child is in there. They're obviously standing there, filming the whole fucking thing themselves, confronting store employees who just want to get back to folding t-shirts. Nothing like using your child to make some sort of political statement.
Back on the topic at hand. I think I'm going to vote third party, maybe just chuck a vote the Green Party's way. I agree with a lot of Libertarian party schtick on social stuff, but they're blind enough on other issues that I won't give them a vote. I'd probably vote for Bernie if he got the nod, just because he's honest and has consistently been able to get bipartisan support for stuff. I can't vote Hillary with a good conscience. The only way I would is if Trump had a serious chance of winning my state, which he doesn't
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So this is it! Double digit days til our country can get it over with. No problem whatsoever voting Hillary.
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Y'all fucktards are gonna vote Trump in, I can sense it.
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Well, at least if that happens the half full approach is the Republican Party implodes. That's a good thing right?
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I am morbidly curious to see what would happen if Trump got it...
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What gets me most is that these are the people who would most greatly benefit from a more democratic socialist form of government. Lower to middle class Republicans drive me crazy in that sense. They're the ones who would be hurt the most trying to pay for college, pay for health care. Republicans create trade agreements that fuck American workers, they try to bust up unions, they help the companies who robbed American workers of their retirements. But some cheeto in a wig is spouting hate speech, that's their guy??? It boggles the mind.
Agreed 100%. I have never been able to understand why the people who would benefit the most from a democratic run government seem so against everything they stand for. I just can't put myself in the mindset of someone who is that ignorant to everything around them.
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I don't understand why people are acting like hillary hasn't killed/displaced hundreds of thousands of people, openly supported criminalizing free speech (even using false flag/racebaiting bullshit, saying that the benghazi attack happened because of a mean hurtful anti-muslim US-made youtube video, among so much more,) supported, armed, and protected terror groups/actual genocide/rape/human traffickers...
Ok, trump is a chauvinist, rich, reality tv star... I'm afraid he's just another actor, fooling people like obama did, but HOW THE FUCK can any of you retards act like he could ever, in any universe, be worse than the clinton/bush/obama types? Look at his history, then look at theirs.
Name the absolute worst thing trump has done, or was vicariously responsible for. Clinton's done much worse on a much larger scale, and you idiots are acting like "the republican" is worse because "he's a racist, sexist bully"
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I have no clue how you view that motherfucker as a good representative for the US. If you've gotten over your own hubris of being informed and enlightened, try to do the same for him. His oral communication is as poor as Twitter communiques(which is forgivable I suppose). I can't view him as anything other than an imbecile resting on the social prestige he has.
Clinton, at least we know what to expect. She's middle of the road politician.
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It doesn't matter who is elected. The central banks control the world. Best way to positively change our country is to eliminate the central banks, abolish the federal reserve and return to a gold backed currency. Just my opinion.
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It's great clinton gets the blame for gee dubya and his warmongering. I'm not saying she (more accurately: her advisors) aren't culpable for some of it but if you think trump = lovely peacetime and prosperity you are a mug. the man is a lunatic.
also "paranoid" mexican is right.