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I can say that you can get the Sunday 24 bikes to feel different based on how you set them up. If you go with tall bars, you get a more "in the bike" feel, vs. if you go with shorter bars/stem, you get a more "on top" of feel.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I have seen people riding 7.25" bars all the way up to 10"s on the Sunday Model C and Wave C.
Even when you correct for stance height by raising the grips . . . there are still differences in handling associated with a bb that is below axle level, at axle level, a little above axles, and a lot above axles. But chainstay length is the other factor that works in conjunction with bb height. A long cs and low bb is the most difficult to pull up (obviously). A high bb and short cs is the loopiest. But a neutral bb height and short cs balances out stability and pop in the same way that having a higher bb and longer cs balances out (like bmx race/trails frames).
For example, look trials bikes with super-high bb's and then look at some of the ridiculously high bunnyhops they do. The bike seems awful for dirt jumps or airing a quarter pipe, though.
Somebody like Danny Macaskill, though, has a blend of trials style and bmx street style. His bb is only slightly above axle level, but the back end is short.
People who think that you have to have a high bb for a bike to be "freestyle" are just ignoring mtb-dj/street/park scene, where DJ 26" frames have a little bb drop, but ultra short cs.
Martin Soderstrom:
I feel like Sunday tried something new with the +1.75"bb design, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. I do think, though, that they came to the public with a simple/simplistic marketing message (which I understand is necessary), which was basically, "our geo is freestyle, all old geo was for racing; everyone copied us." And that just wasn't and isn't true. (A lot of people did copy them--e.g. We The People, FIT, Stolen . . . but they weren't the only ones riding freestyle on 24"s--or 26"s.... and more recently We The People copied the Liquid geo exactly, with the WTP Atlas 24").
"When we introduced the Model-C’s Plus-4 geometry back in 2008, it was the most definitive change in 24″ BMX geometry since the early days of 24″ BMX. From this point on, Plus-4 geometry has influenced every 24″ that has followed it. No longer are 24″ BMX riders limited to sluggish race geometry. The new geometry is quick and responsive while still being stable and comfortable."http://www.sundaybikes.com/gear/frames/wave-c/#/0Sunday definitely has put more effort than any bmx company in promoting 24" as a legit option to the street/park/trails bmx world.
Greg Melms custom frame from 2007-ish. I rode one at Ray's in Cleveland in 08 or 09 and it was amazingly quick to pull up. Bottom bracket only a little above axles. Chainstay insanely short with 24" wheels....
http://www.ridemonkey.com/threads/speaking-of-street-cruisers.196889/page-3