Zodiac Eng. Ratchet Hub Guard

[super_chief]

On behalf of couch I figured I'd post a sneak peak of the hub guard he's making available for the Gsport Ratchet hubs.

7075 aluminum guard is made to replace the non drive side collar on the Ratchet hub. Simple plug and play component. The guard is roughly 2 oz in weight and will become available hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. They'll retail for $30 + shipping.

We have one currently being ridden by a local rider and we're testing for any bending issues (crushing into spokes). If all goes well there will be a small batch available and as interests rise we'll have more available.

Feel free to comment with questions and mention any interest in purchasing one.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Ratchet_Hubguard.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Couch/IMG_0016.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Couch/IMG_0021.jpg

The guard may appear small next to the drop, but this is due to clearance issues with certain dropout/chainstay/seatstay configurations. It is kept the same 30mm OD as the stock collar next to the dropout.

Thanks for looking :]

[russellonabike]

Wow thats really cool, if I had a ratchet I would totally invest in this

is he going to get a patent?

[drewfunk]

Is he working on any other parts? If so, gonna be sick...

[t.wreck]

Looks good!

[Zombie!]

That's wassup, and now to find the "local rider" and sabotage it.

clean though, and quick to make it.

[t.wreck]

Wow thats really cool, if I had a ratchet I would totally invest in this

is he going to get a patent?

Of course he is! ;)

[couch]

:drool:

[big_papa_nuts]

i want a ratchet just so i can run one.

[jinx667]

I would like one.

In black or white.

[Macaroni Sandwich]

Looks nice for sure.

I really want a Ratchet, but I just bought a WTP Supreme hub like, seven months ago and its perfect.

Maybe i'll take my guard off and grind the flanges all to hell so I can justify getting a Ratchet, and this hubguard.

[alice glass.]

couch, i <33 you
i can't wait for my couch track hubzz:cheers:

[super_chief]

Just some other items that couch has produced for your eye ballin' pleasure.

Zodiac Eng. components. [Track edition]

Low Flange Hub (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Couch/HPIM1425.jpg)

High Flange Hub (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Couch/hff_hub.jpg)

[alice glass.]

i'm getting a low-flange front soon
and a low-flange rear to follow:)

[whiteman]

i want a ratchet just so i can run one.
ahhh so true.
the guard and hubs are both looking really nice.

[Spagett]

Make me one out of WC, plz.

[couch]

White Chocolate?

[Spagett]

Tungsten Carbide, silly.

[super_chief]

I wouldn't mind some white chocolate, sugar.

[Spagett]

Ooooh. Valentine's Day is coming, mon friere.

[torontoflatlander]

Technically that looks like it'd work with the Homer hub too. If I'm right in assuming the non drive side sleeve is the same on all hubs or something. Good work couch!!!


(I'm going to try and see if I can get a prototype of my sprocket made sometime in the next few months from a machine shop that does..coincidentally, prototyping)

[DOOM]

Will you send one to the UK?
I'll have one if you are!

[couch]

I don't see any reason why I couldn't do that.

Update... Material has been ordered. It should be here tomorrow or Monday. I highly doubt this will need months of testing and I don't want to make you guys wait.

The first one I made, shown in photos, is a press fit. It doesn't use an O-Ring like the G-Sport collar. Would you guys rather have an O-Ring or a press-fit?

[Brendan O.]

I didn't know Couch was the guy behind Zodiac. I know he had an awesome bike last time I checked his, but that's like 2 years ago.

About the patent, I wouldn't think so, aren't they súperexpensive?

[couch]

Technically that looks like it'd work with the Homer hub too. If I'm right in assuming the non drive side sleeve is the same on all hubs or something. Good work couch!!!


(I'm going to try and see if I can get a prototype of my sprocket made sometime in the next few months from a machine shop that does..coincidentally, prototyping)

If you cant get it handled thru that shop, let me know. I'm down to help out.

[super_chief]

I didn't know Couch was the guy behind Zodiac. I know he had an awesome bike last time I checked his, but that's like 2 years ago.

Top notch stuff. He's got quite a bit of product out there being ridden. I stand behind all his work :]

[couch]

"you must spread rep to someone else before giving it to super.chief again"

:mad2:

[Zombie!]

"you must spread rep to someone else before giving it to super.chief again"

:mad2:

I'm sure he loves those gray boxes,

but then again, I love spreading the joy of gray !

[ilvmybicycle]

COUCH backed 10000000000000000%

running his shit since day one!

[-MEAT-]

Does a curved profiled profile-esque* one work/wear better than a flat angled one like an fbm?

Would be good to see one in place for scale and fit. Is there any detailing on the back?

*Work it out, i cant think of any way of rewording so it makes sense.

[couch]

In an effort to keep the prices down for you guys I kept the machining on the backside to a minimum. There is plenty of clearance to not rub the spokes but there arent any face grooves/counterbores... I'l post up a photo of the back side later. Production models will vary slightly.

I originally made it with a conical surface similar to the FBM guard and was going to relieve the back out. I figured it would look a lot cleaner and be faster to make (in turn being cheaper for you) to do the radiused surface instead. I think it looks much better anyways. Especially since the Ratchet has such beautiful curves...

[super_chief]

Aww, you put a lovely spin on that about the Ratchet.

[joe p.]

Just curious, but do you do them all by hand or have CAD/CAM program for them?

[couch]

It depends on what I'm making and when I'm making it. Most of the turning lately has been done on our engine lathe (manual). The hub shells were turned manually, so was the hub guard in the photo. The hub collars we're all done on a Swiss-type screw machine (cnc). I ran them in between jobs. The axles were started on the engine lathe and finished on one of our cnc lathes. Production on the guards will be done on one of our cnc lathes.... what am I missing... All the milling is done on either our vertical or horizontal cnc mills, depends on what machines are available for me to use. I do all the work myself...

Everything is drawn with AutoCAD and programmed with MasterCAM at my house.

[The Sparrow]

These look sooo good. i cant wait to get one.

[.Lee.]

Couch, do you have anymore pictures of things you've made?

[JohnW]

Why not have a thick layer of plastic over it so it slides faster? Like with the BSD Jersey Barriers. Another idea, not sure how practical it would be, would be to have the guard on a bushing so instead of snagging and slowing grinds down, it just spins. How well do you think that would work?

I'd love to get a white one after the 48h Ratchet is out.

[-MEAT-]

Cool, hope youll do a second run when the 48s are out? I wouldnt bother with the o-ring myself either, all the other hubs were fine without them.

[super_chief]

Why not have a thick layer of plastic over it so it slides faster? Like with the BSD Jersey Barriers. Another idea, not sure how practical it would be, would be to have the guard on a bushing so instead of snagging and slowing grinds down, it just spins. How well do you think that would work?

Plastic will wear faster and leave less aluminum structure to prevent from going into spokes. 7075 has proven to work relatively well for those that are not 'Gland friendly', and tends to catch less than other alloy. This is just an alternative guard. Pegs don't need bushings, neither do guards. K.I.S.S.

[couch]

I have absolutely no interest in any type of plastic. I wont be offering any colors either unless you want to pay extra for hard anodize. If there is a big enough demand I can send them to our local plating shop and have it done. As of right now I dont plan on doing it though. Unnecessary cost for you guys. The hard anodize will help harden the surface of the guards but I cant justify it right now since it is going to get beat real quick anyways... I could do it though if there is enough demand. As for white, no way. I dont want to have them painted/powder coated.

There are more photos of my stuff here... notamessenger.carbonmade.com

I have an online store too. It isn't ready to be posted yet though...

[Tall Pat]

if/when I get lhd cranks, ill for sure buy one
looks super nice :cheers:

[t.wreck]

I'll get one!

[ilvmybicycle]

here is the back off the hub guard. just like couch said. press fit.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/corythegreat_2007/hubgueard.jpg
GET THOSE ORDERS IN!!
http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/

[alice glass.]

hey couch, you should call this new hub guard the "socket"
get it?
ratchet-socket?
:thup:

[dotca]

It looks damn nice. Props!

[Captain Crunch]

Dear Couch,

This looks nice.

I would also like to purchase a 7075 T-6 Al coffee mug with specifically my face portrait 2x2" engraved on the center, with a 98 degree Celsius thermal heater on the bottom. Make that with an embossed mahogany leather with lightly burned side covered handle too.

[bluebmx]

any chance you could put a chromo end piece on the outside edge like mutiny does? dont know how much it matters but ive had a mutiny for a looong time and its held up extremely well.

either way this is going to make it very hard for me to resist buying a ratchet now (when the 48h version comes out). i told myself i wouldnt buy one until someone made a guard for it (that isnt a gland) and now there is one...

[super_chief]

any chance you could put a chromo end piece on the outside edge like mutiny does? dont know how much it matters but ive had a mutiny for a looong time and its held up extremely well.

either way this is going to make it very hard for me to resist buying a ratchet now (when the 48h version comes out). i told myself i wouldnt buy one until someone made a guard for it (that isnt a gland) and now there is one...

There is really no need for it to have a chromo end piece. A full crmo guard would have an advantage of 'taging' less. However it would rust and it would weigh a bit more.

The reason the mutiny guard probably lasted so long because the steel cap prevented deformation along with the thickness of the guard supports it more so on the axle (comparison to the 7-8mm width of a FBM).

As you can tell from this guard it is supported the full width (some 20+ mm, I forget the exact measurement). This supports the guard greatly and being that it is minimally relieved on the back side only strengthens it overall. Should be one hell of a guard.

[BikeMutts]

dammit!! i just bought 2 glands. fuck!

[super_chief]

dammit!! i just bought 2 glands. fuck!

good thing they're cheap ;)

[ilvmybicycle]

super chief im coming to visit you sometime sooon with couch

[eoin.]

i'm getting a ratchet... so... i'm getting this too i guess!

[super_chief]

super chief im coming to visit you sometime sooon with couch

it's all good baby ba-be.

/notorious

[JohnW]

dammit!! i just bought 2 glands. fuck!

Put both of them on the front and get a 3rd peg. :P

[dougrayflops]

Just wondering Couch.... any particular reason you use autocad for design work rather than the newer parametric software like inventor?

[ilvmybicycle]

http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/
http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/
http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/
http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/
GET THOSE ORDERS IN!!
http://notamessenger.bigcartel.com/

[super_chief]

I thought this was kinda cute (from Ctrl + V thread)

http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2850218&postcount=2

http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2850523&postcount=36

[-MEAT-]

Just wondering Couch.... any particular reason you use autocad for design work rather than the newer parametric software like inventor?

A lathe works in 2d, you could draw the parts as 3d model, but youre guna have to convert them back to a 2d profile at some point and most machines use the autocad file type anyway. Its a hell of a lot cheaper and quicker than the 3d programs too.

[Topsey]

How much would a Anodized Black one cost? Cheers.

[ontariobmxer]

How much shipped to Canada?

[Cankles]

very nice

reminds me of one of these

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/963/50387977.JPG
http://www.wagnercompanies.com/domains/wagnercompanies/userimages/mute.gif

[t.wreck]

So are they coming in black?

[couch]

Either all black or all silver. This first batch is only about 35 guards. For the record, if they are hard anodized, the price will increase a few dollars.

super.chief... can you make a poll?

[t.wreck]

I just paid for one, but I'm willing to pay more for black and the shipping to Australia.

[jinx667]

I would take a hard ano black one, not keen on the silver.

[couch]

I just paid for one, but I'm willing to pay more for black and the shipping to Australia.
First!

However, as stated earlier in the thread, (I believe) I said I don't even have the material yet. Just the prototype being tested. I just moved to a new apartment and I don't have internet there yet so I haven't been able to update the bigcartel site yet. I need to change it from buy now to coming soon. I wasn't ready for anyone to see the site yet which is why it wasn't sut up for coming soon. Oh well.

Please don't make any orders, or at least if you do, understand it is going to be at least a week until they are ready to ship. Thank you for your patience. Take note though, if you place an order now, your order will be processed first...

[sokoloka]

Complete high-flanged hubset when?

[rully]

if you also make a matching marmoset guard then i'm down for both.

[Untitled]

ssssssst awesome ... i want one for my new ratchet "" sound perfect choise !

[t.wreck]

First!

I win!


The BSD guard I have on there now isn't going to be a long term option. I don't mind waiting, as I have no bike right now.

[eoin.]

if you were going to make a freecoaster guard (that fits federal as it is a clone) i'd buy that and a ratchet guard..i switch between coaster and cassette.

[couch]

if you were going to make a freecoaster guard (that fits federal as it is a clone) i'd buy that and a ratchet guard..i switch between coaster and cassette.

I'm working on a ton of stuff for the clonecoasters.

[Topsey]

Bingo! I cant really vote. I would like both a matching Marmoset Guard AND have them both Hard Anodized Black!

Edit: Also im willing to pay an extra few $$$ to get them.

[super_chief]

We're heavily considering hard anodize black. Just need to look into it a tad further before confirming.

EDIT: NEW PICTURES ON FIRST POST.

[terrible_one_]

so happy when i saw this post but i've got a qn.

wouldn't the guard get "crushed"(get narrower) when you're tightening it crazy hard since it's an aluminium compared to the steel collars?

the steel collars sticks out 1mm or so, will the guard be the same width as the collar or will be slightly wider so that it'll be "crushed" to fit nicely?

i had problems with my profile cone spacers(rear hub) rubbing against the bearing covers and causing the wheel to screw up. it happened when i had a hub guard. just afraid the same thing might happen to my ratchet if i were to get one of your guard.

[couch]

The Profile cones crushed because of the o-ring groove they put so close to the end of the collar. I had the same problem. I made a solid one and never had a problem after that.

My guard is a few thousandths wider than the og collar. Not noticable though. I did this just to simplify dimensions, not for any crushing reasons. the bearings have a large inner race and the guard has a huge contac area, I highly doubt it will rub, especially since there is so much clearance between the actual guard and the hub shell/bearing. The guard only comes in contact with the axle, inner race and dropout. It is no where near anything else. You won't have this binding issue.

[Zombie!]

I saw that guard in person today and it looks good !
I expected it to look like a hunk of aluminum but it is nice.

good job couch.

[super_chief]

Also, the Marmoset hub features aluminum collars and has no issues of crushing just for a real life instance.

The guard is made of a stronger aluminum (7075) then most collars/aluminum hardware so there shouldn't be any worries.

:]

[mutinous]

Based on the frequency of vandero 2 guard threads, youd probably do well on that too.

[super_chief]

Only biting off as much as one can chew so far ;)

It has crossed our mind(s) though

[ilvmybicycle]

BUMPSIES for pics for tha lazy folk on BG

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/Couch/IMG_0016.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r1a84/20inwheels/Couch/IMG_0021.jpg

[JohnW]

Also, the Marmoset hub features aluminum collars and has no issues of crushing just for a real life instance.

The guard is made of a stronger aluminum (7075) then most collars/aluminum hardware so there shouldn't be any worries.

:]

Yep. The collars on my Marmoset are fine.

[terrible_one_]

The Profile cones crushed because of the o-ring groove they put so close to the end of the collar.

yeah i noticed it too then i told myself to not waste my money and just get rid of it and get a new hub. the Ratchet. it's been soo awesome to me.

My guard is a few thousandths wider than the og collar. Not noticable though. I did this just to simplify dimensions, not for any crushing reasons. the bearings have a large inner race and the guard has a huge contac area, I highly doubt it will rub, especially since there is so much clearance between the actual guard and the hub shell/bearing. The guard only comes in contact with the axle, inner race and dropout. It is no where near anything else. You won't have this binding issue.

great news. i can't wait to get one. :big:
btw, when will it be ready?

[DOOM]

I'll hold out untill a marmo one appears and get them all at once to save shipping. And hopefully the exchange rate will get better :rolleyes:

[weedbix]

Another idea, not sure how practical it would be, would be to have the guard on a bushing so instead of snagging and slowing grinds down, it just spins.

That'd match my Suicide Rollerpegs!

[human]

Looks good. I voted for the raw option, that way you can customize by spraypainting it to your liking.

[super_chief]

Looks good. I voted for the raw option, that way you can customize by spraypainting it to your liking.

The sensible choice. Tip of the hat to your sir.

[couch]

Right, because spray paint doesn't stick to anodize. :nuts:

I suggest to anyone that is interested in the Ratchet guard, get one while you can. As you all know I usually lag with shit ::cough::stems::cough:: This first batch is pretty small and I can't guarantee I'll have any left when I make Marmoset guards.

I should be getting material tomorrow and I will start them within the next few days. Anodize turn around is very fast for me. I would like to say they will be ready by next weekend... we will see though. I'll keep you posted via this thread with all the updates. Including production photos if anyone is interested.

[super_chief]

:nuts: bikesmile2 :confused: :D

[human]

Right, because spray paint doesn't stick to anodize. :nuts:

It just reduced the amount of bitching/whining about color choices. Two options would be optimal: black and raw.

[Krang]

< Want's a KHE guard!

[couch]

It just reduced the amount of bitching/whining about color choices. Two options would be optimal: black and raw.

Oh human, you know I kid.

[human]

I'm going to get a Ratchet just to run one of these.... But only if you engrave something awesome into it.

[jinx667]

So how do I secure myself a black one?

[super_chief]

I'm going to get a Ratchet just to run one of these.... But only if you engrave something awesome into it.

May I suggest something drawn up in MS Paint

[t.wreck]

I was hoping it'd be a little bigger, but I think it'll be fine, and it sure does look nice!

[super_chief]

The hub shell sits pretty far inward on the wheel (dish) so there's not to big an issue that requires a larger OD of the guard. If we did make it much bigger we'd get comments of it being too large so ya can't win either way, haha.

Coupled with a 2.1 tire (and larger) should provide for a VERY protective setup of both the shell and the spokes.

:]

[t.wreck]

I'm out of luck then. I like my narrower rear tyres.

[babypaterk]

i don't like this guard and it's way too tiny.

[Zombie!]

i don't like this guard and it's way too tiny.

Oh dear, so you're saying you want a spoke guard? Hub guards are meant to protect the hub, I don't think it needs to be any larger than it is, plus the ratchet has beastly flanges so really you're #1 concern is the spoke head and bend. Which the guard definitely covers.

[babypaterk]

blah blah blah
ok superchief i mean zombie. hmm...go grind some shit then i might think about listening your opinion on this.

[Cankles]

am i allowed to vote for a marmoset compatible guard with a spacer so it can work on a ratchet? but "blend in" the spacer

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9331/doubledutynq5.jpg

i'd buy 2, and when they wear, rotate them front-back (when the coaster comes out)

[t.wreck]

More fucking about? Good idea though

[Zombie!]

ok superchief i mean zombie. hmm...go grind some shit then i might think about listening your opinion on this.

I will openly admit I don't grind, but that doesn't mean I can't understand the function of a hub guard, If your going to bash on it then do it because it's "ugly" to you, questioning the size means you're questioning it as a whole

[rully]

am i allowed to vote for a marmoset compatible guard with a spacer so it can work on a ratchet? but "blend in" the spacer

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9331/doubledutynq5.jpg

i'd buy 2, and when they wear, rotate them front-back (when the coaster comes out)

woo yeaa...!!

[couch]

Cankles, great idea. For now though I am going to make hub specific guards. Maybe some time in the future when I have some time to play around I will make a batch like that. I need to sell these first so I can buy material for matching Marmoset guards... I really do like your idea though. If I make those I'l hook you up with a set.

As for the size issue you guys have now... The OD of the guard is 2.500", slightly larger than the hub flange. Note, this isn't a "spoke guard", it is a "hub guard". Like super.chief stated, it is protecting the weakest part of the spoke, the head/elbow. I wouldn't stress it. I will try and get some comparison shots up soon. Photos of it side by side other guards.

[Topsey]

Super.Cheif/Couch. Could one of you send me a PM, If/when the Marmoset Guards are done too? I would prefer to buy 2 Marmoset Guards & a Ratchet one all together.

Thanks

[couch]

Like I was saying I suggest you get one of these while you can. Hopefully, for me, I don't have any left by the time I start on Marmoset guards. Hopefully for you guys across the pond I do. I understand why you would rather wait. I just cant guarantee I'll have any left. Maybe I will though, we'll see.

I'l try and work out an order code for those that make repeat orders... discount on shipping or the actual components...

[Topsey]

Ok, That would be fantastic. I will order one now, Can i paypal you the money? or shall i just order it from the link you guys posted up earlier on in the thread. Also how much more $$$$'s will it cost to get it anodized black?

[jinx667]

Ok, That would be fantastic. I will order one now, Can i paypal you the money? or shall i just order it from the link you guys posted up earlier on in the thread. Also how much more $$$$'s will it cost to get it anodized black?

Yep same question here.

[couch]

Alright, so here's the deal. I am going to have 25 of them hard black anodized. The lot charge is just over a hundred bucks at my local plating service.

Price for black guards will be $35.

The remaining guards from this batch will stay silver. I will add a black option to the online store. That will be the best way to order them. That way I can keep track of everything better. Again, I don't even have material yet, it will be here tomorrow morning. Ordering now isn't necessary since I won't process the order or even accept the payment until I have them finished. I will process the orders in the order I receive them though so if you want to, make the order. Order order make the order in order to order one and send the order in the order I receive the order, order order.

[Topsey]

Edit: Order made, Payment sent through paypal. Let me know what shipping to the UK will cost & we can organise payment when the hub guards made. :)

PS: Thank you for your awesomeness.

[human]

Couch, it looks like you need a graphics designer/life advisor.

[couch]

This is true... 15minutes of dicking around = what you see...

[human]

I wasn't trying to be an ass, I was offering my assistance to you if it was needed.

[super_chief]

I believe dick symbols and "MENS ASSES" should be incorporated into one of the products somewhere along the line...

[jinx667]

Ordered and paid for black ano. Sweet.

[couch]

I wasn't trying to be an ass, I was offering my assistance to you if it was needed.
:dunno: HALP!

[human]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9080/zodiaczz9.png

First, you'll need a stylish logo.

[super_chief]

I like what this man has to offer couch...

[milhous]

I think it is awesome that you guys have the ability to make products like this!! I wish that I had a Ratchet, so that I could support your creativity!! If I still have my Geisha when you make the coaster guards, I will buy one of those!!

[Xavier]

i have ordered a black one, And could you work out how much shipping would be to Australia if i pm you an address?

And i am also keen on a marmoset guard aswell

X

[ilvmybicycle]

couch are you really going to let human take my job?

[super_chief]

I can dig grinding away on disney characters...

[t.wreck]

This thing is going to be sweet. And I'll be first to get one *fist pump*

[Xavier]

i want this thing right now *Punches thin air*

[Topsey]

Eeeee-EEEE-eeee-EEE *excited childish noises* Black one paid for! Email/PM with Shipping costs & we can sort payment for shipping when the guards ready :D

[bluemeate]

sell some to dans comp... i mean they sell the knight ones, dont they?

[BASHY]

will it work on a homer hub?

[super_chief]

will it work on a homer hub?

Depends on version of Homer, but the Taiwan one we have at the shop is 4mm longer than that of a Ratchet. It would not 'plug and play'.

[jinx667]

Yep, just PM me the shipping to 91914 when you know.

[Tom Perry]

That is absolutely gorgeous.

Well played!

If/when I get ahold of a ratchet, what can I do besides pay money to get one? PM me!

[t.wreck]

Kenneth,


What is the progress? I am quite excited.


Regards,


Tom

[couch]

Programming is all finished, material is all cut up and ready to go in the machine... I started the setup then had to pull it all out for a work related job. We just got swamped with lathe work last week. Hopefully Monday I can squeeze them in. It shouldnt take long to run them.

ilvmybicycle was looking into shipping charges for me. It looks like it will be under ten for shipping in the states, but around thirty for out of state shipping...

[Topsey]

Ok, Well you've excepted my payment for the Guard. When do you want paying for the shipping. PM with the details i'll get you the cash ASAP.

[foundsoul]

Hell I'd buy one for my Geisha!!! Get at me when their made!

[t.wreck]

Alright, cool. I'm willing to wait and pay for slower shipping. If not, I might have to ask for a refund as I can't afford it.

Edit: It should cost much less than that for regular air mail. I get whole boxes of stuff sent from Empire for that much.

[couch]

I will look into it further.

[t.wreck]

USPS will be cheapest. Fed Ex and others like it are usually much more expensive.

[rully]

ilvmybicycle was looking into shipping charges for me. It looks like it will be under ten for shipping in the states, but around thirty for out of state shipping...

exactly why i want both marmoset guard AND ratchet guard at the same time.

[Xavier]

I thought Fedex would be cheapest. I would like one too. And its really shit right now because the AUD is so low.

[t.wreck]

If I thought I could trust you we could combine shipping, but I'm not confident.

[Xavier]

where abouts in Australia are you from?

[Topsey]

Shippings not a huge issue for me, I just ordered my Ratchet too! Hoping the guard will be on the way to me by the end of the month?

[couch]

It should be.

[CoyBmx]

awesome!!looks like the united one but for ratchet.

[couch]

awesome!!looks like the united one but for ratchet.

Similar. First time I've seen that thing. It looks pretty clean, aside from having to spread the frame.

[Topsey]

God waiting sucks!! I'm waiting on my new wheelset & one of these guards :) *Fingers Crossed* I shall have them both by the end of the month :D

[couch]

Again, sorry everyone for the wait. We probably should have waited to post up about them.

Update, I finished the first op on them yesterday. Hopefully going to finish the machining today... if not tomorrow, hopefully... Then off to anodize. My connection with our local plating service fell thru, office girl isn't dating the plater anymore so I may have to send them somewhere else. As soon as they are sent to anodize I will let you guys know.

Anyone that wants a raw (silver) one I can send asap.

[Xavier]

Anyone that wants a raw (silver) one I can send asap.

I will take it

[terrible_one_]

Anyone that wants a raw (silver) one I can send asap.

i NEED one! dont really care about colour as long i have one. hah.


p.s. i pm-ed you almost a week ago i think but no reply.

[Xavier]

Ahhhh. Couch i can send $ right now. I want one bad.

[Topsey]

Im more than happy to wait for a black one :) My Wheels arent even laced yet, let alone shipped to me. So ive got a week or two to wait anyways.

[Big Ben]

Im gutted i dont have the money for a ratchet or one of these at the moment

[couch]

I just moved and I don't have internet at my new place yet. Sorry for lagging on PMs.

Last night I stayed late at work to try and get some guards done. I have 29 total as of right now. They still need one more lathe op then they are ready for anodize. Is there anyone that specifically wants a silver (raw) guard? If so I will set some aside for you guys. Those of you that made orders before I added the black option, I'll send you a black if you want at no extra charge for not wasting anytime on your end. I had to close the store since I didnt have any ready yet. Like I said earlier, it wasn't ready to be shown yet and I wasnt ready for orders... As soon as I send the guards to anodize I will open the store again.

Thanks again for waiting everyone. I appreciate the input.

[Xavier]

I have $ in paypal now. Can you send me a black one when they're done. And anything on the marmoset hubs? No hurry on the marmoset hubs. One thing at a time

[couch]

I haven't even drawn up the matching front guard yet. When I am closer to being finished I will change the status to "add to cart". I have a few pending orders already. I feel bad some sent money and I cant ship yet so I'd rather wait a little bit.

www.zodiaceng.com

[NUTZO V2.0]

Will be ordering a hub from you in the foreseeable future.

Such good looking stuff.

[couch]

I finished the guards last night. I'm just doing a little polishing today. I will be sending 20 to anodize asap. I'm just waiting to hear back from a few shops. I will have 9 polished guards ready to ship by the end of the week hopefully. The barstock I ordered came a little shorter than expected so I didn't get quite as many pieces as I planned. I won't be changing the prices for plating even though I am sending less than anticipated. I'll eat that loss, no big deal.

Final Counts:

20 Black
9 Polished

I will update my site as soon as I get a chance. Thanks again.

[Topsey]

Couch, What shall i do about paying you shipping? Ive paid for the Guard already via paypal. I can PM you the email address if need be. I ordered a Black one, when do you think it'll be ready to ship?

[couch]

I'll PM you right now...

[jinx667]

Same deal here. I ordered a black one, just need to know the shipping cost to 91914 and I will paypal it right over to ya.

Thanks.

[couch]

From, what I just found out via usps.com, shipping in the states should be under $10, international should be under $15.

There are still a few minor details I need to figure out and factor in so don't send the shipping payment just yet.

[jinx667]

From, what I just found out via usps.com, shipping in the states should be under $10, international should be under $15.

There are still a few minor details I need to figure out and factor in so don't send the shipping payment just yet.

Got it. Just shoot me a PM when you get it sorted.

[Topsey]

Got it. Just shoot me a PM when you get it sorted.

Same here, You might have to give me your paypal address again though. I wrote it down so i wouldnt forget it & ive lost the sodding piece of paper!

[couch]

Will do. Thanks guys.

[two o siccness]

Would the Marmoset guard you're thinking of making work on a Monkey front hub?

I'm not sure how much they differ...

Thanks

[Xavier]

I can paypal now for 1 black one.

[couch]

I just dropped off twenty guards at the anodizers... They said they should be finished by Monday.

[t.wreck]

Rad!

[jinx667]

I just dropped off twenty guards at the anodizers... They said they should be finished by Monday.

Sweet.

[Topsey]

Sweeeeeeet!

[two o siccness]

I just dropped off twenty guards at the anodizers... They said they should be finished by Monday.
Care to answer my question couch?

[super_chief]

Care to answer my question couch?

List the collar width here plz. That way it can be in compared in relation to the *future* Marmoset guard.

[ilvmybicycle]

HUBGUARDS IN BAGS AT ZODIAC

have yet to see the black ones but fuck they are solid

[Xavier]

So you saying the raw are ready to ship?

[couch]

Raw is ready to ship. Black should be ready on Monday if all goes as planned. I am out of town for the weekend. I will try and send them out the beginning of the week.

[couch]

Would the Marmoset guard you're thinking of making work on a Monkey front hub?

I'm not sure how much they differ...

Thanks

I'd have to take dimensions of the Monkey and Marmoset hubs to see. As I stated before, I haven't even drawn up the Marmoset hub guard yet. Patience grasshopper.

[Xavier]

Would you like me to paypal you Couch?

[couch]

www.zodiaceng.com

[bluebmx]

so if you had to guess, when will the marmoset guards be ready? I know thats a bad question since i dont think they are even started but my current knight guard's days are numbered.

[couch]

I am running a UK Marmoset... not sure if anything has changed since they went to Taiwan... I'll pull mine apart tomorrow when I get home from work and get something going. I'll look into the Taiwan Marmoset hubs too to see if there are any differences. As far as I know they are the same.

[super_chief]

I believe collar width is the name issue with variations. OD means fuck all really and the ID has always been 20mm

[Cankles]

taiwan marmoset collars are 2mm "shorter" (takes 2mm less axle space)

[Topsey]

I keep checking back every hour or so! Im waiting for Couch's word to send him the money for shipping!

God i feel sad right now :D

[t.wreck]

I too check back too often.

Can't wait!

[couch]

International shipping is $15.

[Topsey]

Edit: Payment sent.

[couch]

Payment received.

[Topsey]

Awesomeness :D look forward to recieving my guard! Should be here at around the same time as my wheels :)

[t.wreck]

So does that mean I owe you $20?

[couch]

If you paid for a polished but want a black, yes.

Sorry for any confusion.

[super_chief]

Sup sexy. If you peep the polished guard you can make out couch. Teehee.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/1234913576752.jpg

[couch]

You're blowing my cover!!!

[t.wreck]

Those look super awesome! Almost makes me not want to use it when I get it, but I have to now as the BSD I rigged is rubbing the spoke heads.

[rully]

so when is the marmoset guard coming out?
if i want to buy both, how do i go about it?

[jinx667]

So is it still going to be $10 for CONUS shipping?

[t.wreck]

Hurry up and send it!

[Topsey]

JESUS CHRIST MONKEY BALLS! That looks unbelievably perfect!! God i cant wait to get mine!! When do you think you'll ship it out to me Couch?

[couch]

I'm trying to get them out today.

[couch]

Shipping in the states is $8.

[jinx667]

shipping in the states is $8.

paid.

[super_chief]

Money shot.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r184/20inwheels/1234913739890.jpg

[bluebmx]

looks like it barely covers the flange?

[super_chief]

Yes, you'd be correct in noticing it barely overhangs the flange. As we all know Gsport hubs are quite large to begin with so we didn't want to push it too much with a large OD guard. With your wheel dish, tire, and this guard you should have a very minimal amount of spoke area exposed. The guard should work quite well depending on how unique your grinding skillz are.

As Seditious Canary would be quick to point out, this guard is not neccessary as we should be landing directly on the pegs all day long.

We decided to keep the guard fairly flush with the hub to keep the aesthetic lovers happy and because, well, it's a HUB guard. We all know what other guard is out there if you're chasing after some spoke protection.

Thanks for eye ballin'

[terrible_one_]

sorry guys but for those paypal acc holders, how do i use paypal?

i just signed up just now and they told me to get the 4-digit paypal code.
where exactly do i find it?

i signed up just for this guard. so good.

thanks.

[couch]

Alright, so heres the deal. Everyone that has made orders I have some good news. I just left the Post Office. After talking with the lady there I worked out some details that lowered the shipping prices. If you guys could please PM me with your paypal info I'll send you guys some money back. I want to lower the shipping prices on the site, and not have anyone wonder why I charged you more.

Thanks.

[couch]

Ah, eff it, I'll just try and access my paypal account from my phone and send it. Paypal is acting weird on my phone though lately. I still don't have internet at home.

[Xavier]

so is shipping to Australia still 15$?

[couch]

No, its considerably less which is why I'm sending buyers some money back...

[oggyogden]

deffinately going to get one of these for my ratchet.
will go nicely with the front guard

[i am hollywood]

Would this work on the front g-sport hubs as well?

[Xavier]

^Do you mean the marmoset?

[JohnW]

Would this work on the front g-sport hubs as well?

No, it is too wide. Hence the poll at the top asking if people want a Marmoset version.

[couch]

I'll be working on a batch of Marmoset (Taiwan model) guards soon. Thats next on my list.

[Macaroni Sandwich]

I don't have a Ratchet, but I like these guards. Just wanted to let you know they look bitchin.

[redface]

hey, i'd be down to get a bunch of these for the shop, if you're interested. email empirebmx@empirebmx.com

tom

[super_chief]

Eeeeeeeeee!

[Xavier]

hey, i'd be down to get a bunch of these for the shop, if you're interested. email empirebmx@empirebmx.com

tom

You wont be dissapointed.

[The Sparrow]

Just paid for a silver one. stoked!

[t.wreck]

I just got mine in the mail. It's very, very well made, and I don't want to mess it up!

[super_chief]

Awesome! :]

Snap some photos!

[Topsey]

Hoping to get mine today or tommorow :)

[Chris_Noble]

when would plan to start prototyping the marmoset guard?

[ChrisRamsay]

price to post to uk? cheers

[couch]

SOLD OUT OF RATCHET GUARDS!

Shipping to UK from me is/was/is $6 USD.

I plan on starting on the Marmoset guards next week. At least getting a prototype going. I have a few small things to take care of first though.

[The Sparrow]

Soooo glad i got one while i did haha.

[rully]

i hope empire sells them for the same price as couch sells them for.

if not, shame on them. :)

[ChrisRamsay]

any idea on when you'll have some more ratchet guards in polished in?

i waited for the last few weeks for pay day (today) and they're all gone :( haha

[MrFit]

any idea on when you'll have some more ratchet guards in polished in?

i waited for the last few weeks for pay day (today) and they're all gone :( haha

Gutted rammers.

[couch]

Empire will have some in stock soon. Both black and polished.

[Bunky]

SOLD OUT OF RATCHET GUARDS!

Shipping to UK from me is/was/is $6 USD.

I plan on starting on the Marmoset guards next week. At least getting a prototype going. I have a few small things to take care of first though.


Nice.

[G]

i hope empire sells them for the same price as couch sells them for.

if not, shame on them. :)

How do you work that out?

If you want the convenience of Empire paying out up front, holding stock, running a website and credit card set-up and being there all the time to answer the phone and deal with questions then you need to PAY FOR IT...

It MAY be that Couch can shave some money off the price he charges Empire to account for the fact he wont have this hassle, but my guess is that the price is pared right back already so expect at least some price rise...

And if you are going to moan about it then you better moan about the difference between retail and wholesale price of every other thing you buy too, from food to toilet roll...


:)
G.

[jinx667]

G you read my mind ^

My wife tells me the my black guard is in and she took it to the shop to get installed. I will post up some pics when I get some.

My bike just got more awesome.

Thanks Couch!

[Topsey]

Im expecting mine any day. It will be the final piece of my new bike :D

[rully]

How do you work that out?

If you want the convenience of Empire paying out up front, holding stock, running a website and credit card set-up and being there all the time to answer the phone and deal with questions then you need to PAY FOR IT...

It MAY be that Couch can shave some money off the price he charges Empire to account for the fact he wont have this hassle, but my guess is that the price is pared right back already so expect at least some price rise...

And if you are going to moan about it then you better moan about the difference between retail and wholesale price of every other thing you buy too, from food to toilet roll...


:)
G.

firstly,
the smiley symbol next to my last sentence indicated that that sentence was a joke. obviously i know if there will be a rise and i fully understood that it is normal.

however AFAIK, couch's price is retail price. so maybe i can safely expect empire's price would be the same because they also sell at retail price right?

also, CMIIW on this but, because empire is awesome, they will be happy enough with that tiny profit margin without needing to be greedy and raising the price like no tomorrow (not that they do it already) :) although i believe they are the only shop on earth that sells the ratchet guard

[Panda-san]

can you make a khe hub guard for me ?

[super_chief]

although i believe they are the only shop on earth that sells the ratchet guard

perhaps mail order on earth :)

the original guard is still performing quite well in case anyone was wondering

[Xavier]

^What about the Gland.

Couch, How many did Tom for empire buy because i want one/
But i dont know if i will be quick enough if you only sold them a small amount

[bluemeate]

heavier then a gland?

[couch]

Couch, How many did Tom for empire buy because i want one/
But i dont know if i will be quick enough if you only sold them a small amount

12 Black
5 Polished

[rully]

wow,.. gotta be hurry then!
will you be selling the marmoset guards to them as well..?

[super_chief]

Marmoset guards, coming soon.

[Zombie!]

Haha, I can't wait to lurk empires site and see Zodiac Eng. under Select By Brand.

[Xavier]

Haha^ Yehh, Not on there site yet.

[jinx667]

Mine came in and got installed. I will put up a pic on my bike check here shortly.

[theboredbmxer]

Haha^ Yehh, Not on there site yet.

yeah it is. congrats on getting it on empire. ill be getting one when the 48h come out

[Zombie!]

http://empirebmx.com/catalog/showdetail2.aspx?id=1094664&ret=catalog.aspx

I'm disgusted that you didn't get your name in the select by brand section.

[super_chief]

That's a beautiful thang

[Xavier]

It is indeed on the site. I ordered mine already.

[redface]

http://empirebmx.com/catalog/showdetail2.aspx?id=1094664&ret=catalog.aspx

I'm disgusted that you didn't get your name in the select by brand section.

our new site will go live soon, and Zodiac will be listed. i've let the current site slack a bit