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24" bmx frames?
« on: February 01, 2016, 06:34:23 AM »
Looking at building up a 24" bike as a sort of cruiser/travel/short commute.

Looked at the Sunday model c, seems as if they've lowered the quality of the frames to cut the price?

Ideally i'd like something like the model C, maybe a bit higher standover, I might be nostalgic but I think that most modern frames looks like scooters with their super low sloping top tubes.



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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 10:51:44 AM »
Check out these threads:

cruiser or 24 advice
http://www.bikeguide.org/forum/index.php/topic,220773.msg3714454.html#msg3714454

Cruiser guys, ATF 24" vs Wave C vs Liquid, input please.
http://www.bikeguide.org/forum/index.php/topic,220076.msg3705592.html

Also check out www.cruiserrevolution.com
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2016, 11:16:19 AM »
S&m Atf 24" frame looks deece with a 9.5" s/o height
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2016, 02:25:35 PM »
How much money are you looking to spend, and what kind of riding are you looking to do?

CMC has got some awesome references there for you to take a look at, and I suggest reading them all.

I'm a cruiser fanatic.  I'm almost at the tipping point of having done more handrails on my cruisers than on my 20inch bikes.  24's are so much fun when you've got them built right to suite your style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gdHoYBWVgk&feature=youtu.be

I prefer the higher bottom bracket on the Sunday cruisers, but if you're really tall (I'm about 5-11), then you might like the lower bottom bracket heights on the S&M and Fit cruiser frames, or possibly a Liquid if you can find one anywhere.
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 04:09:11 PM »
. .  or possibly a Liquid if you can find one anywhere.

well, speak of the devil . . . .
(not mine, just saw it).
http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/5425721359.html

it also occurred to me that Lucas might like a 26" Fairdale TAJ in terms of high standover and cruiser/commuter aspects....


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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 02:06:16 AM »
For commuting I'd just get a 26" bike.
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 05:07:41 AM »
I'm thinking about getting a cruiser of some sort too. It seems like I'm gonna have to commute about 10 miles. Would it be better for a 26' Taj or 24' Model C?

I like the idea of being able to hop curbs and stuff on 24' but after some work I feel like a 26' would be a more way to go up and down some hills. I just don't wanna feel that knee ache that comes from pedaling your ass off on a BMX bike for long periods of time.

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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2016, 07:27:11 AM »
For 10 miles I'd get an actual single speed bike, something with clearance for 32mm tyres and it'll be like a big BMX.

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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 10:02:51 AM »
For 10 miles I'd get an actual single speed bike, something with clearance for 32mm tyres and it'll be like a big BMX.

yeah, but maybe even gears.  i love my Fairdale Weekender OG.  it feels nothing like a bmx bike. but it's fun to ride faaaaast on road for once.

big boys bike advice.
http://www.bikeguide.org/forum/index.php/topic,220799.0.html

but i guess, as far as "big bmx" goes, i think Fairdale was thinking about that with this:


The Weekender MX   8) 

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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 10:12:17 AM »
I'm thinking about getting a cruiser of some sort too. It seems like I'm gonna have to commute about 10 miles. Would it be better for a 26' Taj or 24' Model C?

I like the idea of being able to hop curbs and stuff on 24' but after some work I feel like a 26' would be a more way to go up and down some hills. I just don't wanna feel that knee ache that comes from pedaling your ass off on a BMX bike for long periods of time.


The big difference is the seat tube length, and how much seatpost you want raised, to sit down.

Sunday Model C:

HEAD TUBE ANGLE: 74.5
SEAT TUBE ANGLE: 71
CHAINSTAY LENGTH: 14.625-14.875
BOTTOM BRACKET HEIGHT: 13.75"
STANDOVER: 9.25
HANDLEBAR
RISE: 7.75"
WIDTH: 28"
BACKSWEEP: 12
UPSWEEP: 4

http://www.sundaybikes.com/bikes/archive/2015-completes/model-c/2015-model-c/


A Fairdale Taj has a 17.32" (440mm) seat tube. 
http://fairdalebikes.com/bikes/view-bikes-archive/2015-bikes/2015-taj/

So, 9.25" versus 17.32" is a large difference.  A slammed seat on the Taj is like riding 8" of seat post raised on the Sunday Model C.
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 05:04:57 PM »
I'd definitely set the bike up as a road only thing. Maximize comfort for long pedaling but just riding BMX all the time, I like that safety net of being able to hop up curbs if I must.

All this reading about derailleur gears is giving me a headache. I just want a simple bike!

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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 09:50:17 PM »
how hilly is your ride?  I rode a taj shortly and you could hop curbs all day and still get around town. You could also change the gearing if you wanted.  I think for an around town commuter and bar bike it would be great.  But if I was commuting a longer distance and there were hills, I'd just buy a decent geared mountain bike with a single front chain ring.  You could hop one up a curb, commute with it, and then you can ride trails and shit with it too.  Derailleur might seem complicated at first but it's really not, especially just a single front ring setup.  You can watch a youtube video and have it down in no time.
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 04:20:17 PM »
how hilly is your ride?  I rode a taj shortly and you could hop curbs all day and still get around town. You could also change the gearing if you wanted.  I think for an around town commuter and bar bike it would be great.  But if I was commuting a longer distance and there were hills, I'd just buy a decent geared mountain bike with a single front chain ring.  You could hop one up a curb, commute with it, and then you can ride trails and shit with it too.  Derailleur might seem complicated at first but it's really not, especially just a single front ring setup.  You can watch a youtube video and have it down in no time.

Yeah I agree. Although I can see how a bmx'er might not want many of the "uncool" options in that category.  (I was a BMX-only rider, until about 10 years ago, so I've been sifting through all the options for a while).

A cool MTB that is all-rigid, sort of bmx-ish, but also commuter-ish, with 1X9 or 1X10-11 gearing . . . . is a rare bike.  Maybe SURLY.


If you get a suspension fork with lockout or with adjust to stiffen it up for city riding, there are lots of options. In terms of a seat high enough for commuter-ish type leg extension, rather than super low like DJ MTB bikes .... then "All Mountain" type bikes would seem to fit...
Like a Transition TransAm. It's going to have a more laid back "aggressive hard tail" head angle though.


A 4x/DJ bike with 1X9 is also doable, but like I said, the lower seat tube, makes a high seat less do-able (at least for taller riders).  Note the chain guide system--it has a top guide as well as a bottom tension roller. This is essential for keeping the chain on during bmx style riding with gears.  The newer "narrow-wide" chain system though is supposed to lessen the need for this type of chain guide though.


Something like the 2013 Specialized P.Street was a lame attempt to be a mix of DJ style and casual mtb.  The two-ring gear system is pathetic on anything even vaguely trying to seem like a dirt jumper or 'urban' bike.   The proper way to do it is 1X9, 1X10, etc. with "narrow-wide" or with a proper chain guide system to keep the chain on, the way 4x racers do it.
 
"The P.Street, a new addition to the P.Series family of bikes for 2013, draws its inspiration from the dirt/park/street lifestyle that the P.Series represents, while offering the A-to-B practicality of a traditional geared mountain bike. No, it isn't intended as a pure street or park bike, but the entry level P.Street features disc brakes, a 31.8mm handlebar and stem combo, street-specific tires, a strong suspension fork, and a two-ring drivetrain with a bash guard that allow the bike to handle abuse while still remaining user friendly for getting around."

http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=163703


This is kinda off-topic, but I think Spooky used to make Terrible One frames back in the day.....

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75553

Oh yeah... and some people are doing internal geared hubs on BMX....
Lets see your Multi-speed BMX's
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=304579
8-speed hub on OM Flyer 26"


Oh yeah, and the Volume Generator used an internal-geared hub in their attempt to make a bmx-ish urban commuter https://vimeo.com/34379415
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 06:53:35 PM »
So I figured out the commute is just a bit under 7 miles. The hills aren't anything steep just mellow incline and declines, nothing to be fussed over. I live in the city now so there isn't too much outside of concrete. A nice, quick ride would definitely be preferable.

I'm thinking this... http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/5413647461.html

Only cause of budgetary reasons.

It may just be the name association with the Taj but I can't help but want it. I'd get a Weekender but I can't really justify spending over a grand for a bike again. Which I'm sure negates more or less all the options on the post above me.
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 08:08:41 PM »
i can do 20-30km on my faction 22" no worries, just need a sensible seat height for longer treks. that liquid complete for 500 is hawt tho
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Re: 24" bmx frames?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 08:08:41 PM »

 

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