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The Bike Shop / Re: Pedal design devolving?

« on: February 19, 2015, 04:53:25 PM »

. . .  Has the turn to cheap wear and tear products hindered companies in making more refined designs/products?

Yes.  But, maybe BMX has also had a tendency for low-tech, at least on certain things.   

1. Seatposts and seats.  Sure, pivotal is "simple," but the mtb and road worlds still have high quality microadjust posts.

2. Grips i.e. not lock-on.    They exist, but it tends to be the bmx race scene that actually use them.  http://www.jrbicycles.com/storefront/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=313  Empire offers no lock-on grips:  http://www.empirebmx.com/catalog/grips

3.  Helmets.  Once again the street/park/trails side of things only offers the pro-tec style skate helmet.
http://www.empirebmx.com/catalog/helmets whereas bmx racing has full face options https://www.jrbicycles.com/storefront/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=140. It's not like airing 12 feet out of concrete bowls is any safer for your head, it's just a (sub)cultural thing.

As far as pedals, the mtb world (esp. DH/Freeride/Slope) has been progressing right along.  There are a ton of platform pedals to choose from, all claiming various kinds of tech advantages..... http://www.jensonusa.com/Search?q=platform pedals#brm-search?request_type=search&search_type=keyword&q=platform%20pedals&l=platform%20pedals

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 19, 2015, 10:26:57 AM »

I ordered my frame with a 21.25" TT and 8.5" rise bars. Normally I'd ride a 20.75 frame.

Hopefully, STANDARD is factoring in tire clearance for S&M Mainline 22" and Faction F22" tires.  I remember someone in one of the bmxmuseum threads saying their early Standard custom 22" didn't have enough tire clearance for the F22 [EDIT: found link, pasted below].  The S&M Mainline 22" tire comes in two widths.

Comparison shot with my old Taj with ACS 20X2.00 flatland tires (I didn't ride those on the Taj, they just happened to be on the wheelset) ... and my Stout 22" with the Faction F22 tires. The F22"s are actually about 22.4" in diameter when inflated. There is very minimal brake arm clearance when the wheel is in the slammed position, but there is good tire clearance with the frame.

 

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=4513402#p4513402
Jobsy's 22"wheel 22"top tube Standard STA


Trail Boss clearance with S&M Mainlines:

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=4513972#p4513972
"Here's a shot of the 2.1 mainline just barely clearing with the axle centered in the dropouts.  I sent the tboss back to standard yesterday with a wheel and F22 so that they can put a wider rear end on.  All of their 22"s from here on out should have zero problems with clearance."

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 18, 2015, 09:55:18 PM »

I'm really thinking about biting the bullet on one of those ATFs. I'm 6ft tall and I ride a 21.125" TT right now, which size TT should I go with, and what size bars do people usually run on these?

I'm 6'1". I run 9"s, but a lot of people run 8"s and 8.25"s.   If you like your current 20" and you're not trying to make a really "big" feeling bike, but rather just a proportionally sized 22" then I would say you should probably do the 21.6"tt ATF instead of the 22.125" one.  My InDust is a 21.7"tt and I like it.  (I have also tried a 21"tt 22"-wheel Stout, which works, too.... so it's really just personal pref).

8"s on my Indust 24" and 9"s on my Indust 22":



Here's an ATF22 with big bars:
22"s Go Here
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=5093369#p5093369

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 17, 2015, 11:51:26 PM »

The S&M ATF 22" kit also looks great....
http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/24-Inch-Shredding,29/S-amp-M-22-ATF,1283976

Kit? That article doesn't have a working URL.

But I found the frame? http://www.sandmbikes.com/product/frames/atf-frame-for-22-wheel/

and if you check eBay, they have "kits" direct from S&M or their distributor with frame, fork, wheels, tubes, and tires ....

Can you link one? because I can't find it and I have a tax return coming up.

; )


http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-M-22-INCH-ATF-FRAME-21-625-TRANS-GREEN-22-KIT-WHEELS-FORKS-BMX-BIKE-FACTION-/221605447814?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3398b6c886

http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-M-22-INCH-ATF-FRAME-22-125-FLAT-BLACK-22-KIT-CHROME-FORKS-BMX-BIKE-FACTION-/221605447829?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3398b6c895

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 17, 2015, 11:03:40 PM »

The S&M ATF 22" kit also looks great....
http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/24-Inch-Shredding,29/S-amp-M-22-ATF,1283976

Kit? That article doesn't have a working URL.

But I found the frame? http://www.sandmbikes.com/product/frames/atf-frame-for-22-wheel/

and if you check eBay, they have "kits" direct from S&M or their distributor with frame, fork, wheels, tubes, and tires ....

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The Bike Shop / Re: definitive freecoaster thread

« on: February 10, 2015, 01:54:51 AM »

Well, I know this is an old thread . . . but there is good info in it.  In the market to buy one . . . .


Cult
http://www.empirebmx.com/cult-freecoaster-hub
36h and 9t only
RHD or LHD
designed using patented KHE technology
tapered roller bearing on drive side + high quality sealed cartridge bearing on non-drive side
one 6802 bearing in driver + one needle roller bearing
needle thrust bearing behind clutch
includes slack adjustment washers
 
two axle choices:
1-pc 14mm cromo heat-treated axle
3-pc female 14mm cromo heat-treated axle with 3/8" bolts (14mm axle extends past locknuts 4mm to fit 14mm dropout slots)


Eclat Blind
http://www.empirebmx.com/eclat-blind-freecoaster-hub
36h
9t driver
6061 T-6 AL shell
4130 cromo heat-treated female axle (3/8" x 24t bolts, 14mm female axle passes into dropout) or 14mm male axle
2 high quality japanese bearings
polymer bushing in driver
hub drive direction can be switched from RHD to LHD
allen key inner axle for easy maintenance
590 g (20.8 oz)

Primo Freemix
http://www.empirebmx.com/primo-freemix-freecoaster-hub
6061-T6 aluminum hub shell
14mm male axle or 14mm female axle with 3/8" bolts
1-pc 9t driver and ACB bearings for side support
 
hub shell bearings: 6002 (x1) non-drive side, 7905 ACB (x1) drive side
available in either RHD or LHD
available with 9t driver
driver bearings: 7802-14 (x2)
23 oz (w/9t driver)


Shadow Conspiracy Raptor
http://www.empirebmx.com/shadow-conspiracy-raptor-freecoaster-hub
6061-T6 aluminum hub shell
14mm heat-treated axle w/allen insert for easy removal
1-pc 9t driver and ACB bearings for side support
 
hub shell bearings: 6002 (x1) non-drive side, 7905 ACB (x1) drive side
available in either RHD or LHD
includes three slack adjustment washers to adjust engagement slack
available with 9t driver
driver bearings: 6802-14 (x1) and one needle bearing
23.2 oz

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The Lounge / Re: hey guys . my first trip to the states . florida. ideas?

« on: February 09, 2015, 11:51:37 PM »

True, it's Florida, but Miami is its own thing. 

The Urbanist’s Miami: Street art, shrimp shacks, and show-pony mansions.
http://nymag.com/travel/features/miami-2013-4/

As the notorious home—or at least vacation home—of NBA superstars, Latina pop queens, drug kingpins, and, these days, the sisters Kardashian, Miami is easy to dismiss as just a sun-­addled tropical playground. But it’s also an art mecca during Basel, a rave at the Winter Music Conference, a capital of international investment, and, of course, one of America’s most dynamic cities. Around 37 percent of the metro area’s 5.5 million inhabitants are foreign-born—a higher proportion than anywhere else in the country. Among those Cuban, Haitian, Brazilian, and Russian newcomers are “Gateway to Latin America” businessmen, political exiles, and vodka magnates, many of whom are snapping up the sort of ostentatious properties that make Miami’s turbulent real-estate market so famous. There are new hotels (in Miami, there are always new hotels), like the Philippe Starck– and Lenny Kravitz–designed SLS, as well as a $312 million overhaul of the Design District and an ever-evolving Herzog & de Meuron parking garage that is a feat of architectural splendor. To counter all that swankiness: world-class graffiti, copious thrift shops, heaps of fried shrimp in Little Havana, and enough rough-around-the-edges allure to make the South Floridian city spectacularly, perennially irresistible.

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 09, 2015, 11:24:44 PM »

Another oldie debating the switch to 22" because a 20" now feels too twitchy to be comfortable with. Mainly ride MTB now which is part of it. Have a 26" jump bike, tried 24s, neither quite feel right.

Convince how great and how happy you are with them.

Trails/flow rider, some street jibs, looking for something that takes that edge off the bmx twitchiness death feel so i can enjoy BMX time.

Bret Parker, Lubbock trails


https://www.facebook.com/rideindust



disc brake option 


The S&M ATF 22" kit also looks great....
http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/24-Inch-Shredding,29/S-amp-M-22-ATF,1283976

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 the front and 20 back?

« on: February 09, 2015, 11:14:53 PM »

The BB will only be raised by a fraction of what the bars are, as it is nearer to the fulcrum than the front end but you're not entirely wrong

Good point.


From a different perspective . . . a Sunday Wave C with a 22" fork and 22" wheel:
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sunday/77914

Here's a regular 20" Holmes with a 22" fork and 22" wheels...
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=3442794#p3442794
Back in 2012, "teachbmxcharlie" wrote:  "The bb height is close to that of my 24" Dirtbike, b/c the custom 22" forks on the 20" frame raise the front-end and bb height slightly. The height measures between 12 and 3/4" and 13" even, making the bb height a little taller than desirable--but OK for a quick custom."


That was before the 22" Holmes came out:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=3748955#p3748955

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The Bike Shop / Re: Trail Bossin

« on: February 02, 2015, 11:26:28 PM »

So nobody has permission from the owner?

If you're all digging illegally, it would be best to get along to avoid killing the spot with drama. Bring the other guys a six pack, be cool with them, and get everyone on the same page.

for real.

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: February 02, 2015, 09:05:17 PM »

Brett Parker, InDust 22", made in TX

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 the front and 20 back?

« on: February 02, 2015, 09:01:44 PM »

22 took off already.

Join the club

Yeah, for real.  Y'all need to join the 22" BMX facebook group.   

some of the 22" stuff that is out there:

Faction Amero 22"
S&M Holmes 22"
S&M ATF 22"
Indust  2ton frame, Space Time frame, CTY frame
Standard custom 22"
Stout 22"
Twenty2BMX  Sasquatch and Behemoth

S&M Pitchfork 22"
S&M Race XLT 22" fork
InDust race 22" fork

Revenge Arc welded 22" rims
Revenge complete 22" wheelset
Velocity 22" rims (narrow, better for race)

S&M Mainline 22" tires, in two widths (2.1? and 2.4)
Faction F22" tires
Meghna 22" tires (suck)

@ss4ole, what did I miss?

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 the front and 20 back?

« on: February 02, 2015, 01:02:31 PM »

This is something we've talked about doing in the shop a lot but always thought it was a bad idea haha. Also whether or not we could get a 22" wheel in the back of a MacNeil Deuce Deuce...

Maybe it's worth a shot? It looks like it makes sense with a smaller bar.

You can get a 22" in the back end of some 20"s that have long dropout slots.  See these:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=4738158#p4738158

Of course, it's much better to have a frame and fork designed for 22"s. 
  

Stricker's ATF 22"

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 the front and 20 back?

« on: February 02, 2015, 12:53:42 PM »

should just get a full 22 setup i reckon

yep.

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The Bike Shop / Re: What bars on 24" S&M ATF Build?

« on: January 27, 2015, 06:31:06 PM »

I think it'll depend a lot on the person.  What does the customer ride now?  Is he tall?  What kind of riding is he doing?

I think the main thing I've noticed though, is that on new school 24" builds (Sunday Model C & Wave C, S&M ATF 24, Liquid Feedback 24, WTP Atlas 24", Stolen Saint 24", etc.)  people are not doing the old 5" and 6" cruiser bar height. Most guys are going for 7.25, 7.75", 8" and even some 9"s and 10"s.

So, I'd probably say, if he's right in the middle, then go with the 7.75" Sunday 24umphXL  bars:
http://www.empirebmx.com/sunday-24umph-xl-handlebar

Traditional cruiser bars: who needs ‘em?
http://cruiserrevolution.com/2011/03/01/traditional-cruiser-bars-who-needs-em/

Let's see your New School Street 24 inch!
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=359815

Thanks for the help. He's definitely a shorter guy around 5' 5" or so. The Bruisers feel pretty good, but we still need to get cranks on the bike to really test it out. (He's building it up part by part slowly).

We've built up 3 different 22" ATFs but this is the first 24" in the past few years so I appreciate the input!

In that case I would guess that yes the 6.5"s will probably work well for him. Keep in mind this is because the bb is higher-than-axle-level on new school 24"s. if I remember right, the bb is about 1"+ rise above axle level on the ATF 24"?  So, it makes sense that you'd go from 5.5" up to 6.5". The Model C is roughly 1.75"+ bb rise, so 7.25" bars keep a similar stance height as 5.5 bars would on a zero-bb-rise cruiser would....