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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: August 07, 2013, 10:04:58 AM »

http://cruiserrevolution.com/2013/07/10/mike-day-tries-out-some-bigger-wheels/

"In the article, Mike talks about his desire to put together “the biggest-wheeled bike that was allowed to race” in the 20- inch class."

"According to the UCI rule book that meant the diameter of the wheels, including the inflated tires, could not exceed 22 1/2 inches (57 cm)."




Hmmm.  Maybe he should have done 12.5" bb, not 11.5" bb, if he wanted it to feel the "same" as his 20.  Gotta look at bb height relative to axles, not relative to the ground.   

 

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: July 11, 2013, 08:44:14 PM »

I can ride a 21.25 with out being to uncomfortable but, prefer 21.5.

When the time comes I'll probably go with S&M since I can some what customize it.
Also waiting if the put the 22 ATF the custom frames.

Would the 69 Seat tube be that noticeable?

I sent Faction an email a little bit ago.

How much better is the 22 on the knees from hard landings?

I haven't really focused on the hard landings angle... but I guess from a physics standpoint, a tire of the same width is actually holding more air due to being bigger, and a larger rim with a slightly mellower curve is going to absorb an impact more than a smaller diameter one.  I know that 24" BMX's do feel smoother to drop off to flat landings (although I kinda hate flat landings these days--always looking for a grass embankment or true dirt landing). 

Over on bmxmuseum, tecnic1 posted up his InDust proto next to a Holmes 22.  The InDust proto he has was a single frame with a higher bb and shorter back end that was a proto for street/park bike. The InDust 2ton is the trail frame that I have that has a medium height bb (21.8"tt, 12.25"bb and 14.25"cs--where I have my axle now, not slammed but is close the front).  Talk to Vernon at InDust if you are interested in one of those, or a even possibly a different version. We have been talking about doing another higher-bb park/street frame.  I have never had the opportunity to compare the Holmes up close, but my impression is that the more laid-back seat tube angle actually makes the 22"tt Holmes a tad shorter than the 2ton when you compare "cockpit room" (or front-center, i.e. bb to front axle).

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=451009&p=72

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: July 10, 2013, 11:54:12 PM »

I spy a Fairdale Weekender in that pic!!!

a Weekender is really high on my list of next bike.  gotta sell a couple first though. !

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The Bike Shop / Re: 22 inches

« on: May 21, 2013, 09:55:33 PM »

I cannot say I am stoked about this music . . . but I am stoked on all the work Bret Parker and his crew have been doing on their trails in Lubbock Texas.  Brett riding an InDust 2ton 22":


http://vimeo.com/66570357

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: March 04, 2013, 11:12:45 PM »

I think CMC has some pinned Velocity aero rims in 22 left.

actually, man, they're all gone.  several pairs being ridden Austin and the rest shipped out around the country.

OMFG the f22 tires are just as good as the folding rubens.  No break in period.  Just got a good session in at RaysMTB.  22 has arrived be it s and m or faction... these tires pushed it over the edge into legitimacy.

Rays is crawling with hotties right now and it is only Thursday.  Women's weekend this weekend at RyasMTB.  Holla!

yeah! finally got to spend some time riding the F22 tires.  i was surprised how well they immediately fit to the rim--both the original Zeitgeist rim and our Velocity rim.  absolutely no bulges hops or malformities. aired up, roll extremely smooth.  great tire.  :cheers:

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The Lounge / Pets thread.

« on: February 28, 2013, 01:26:23 PM »

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: February 24, 2013, 06:54:47 PM »

Has anyone tried running a Sunday 24" with some 22" wheels?

As an experiment, I did it with a We The People Avenger 24", which had the same geo as the original shorter Model C.  I posted pics earlier in this thread. Other than your rear brakes not lining up, it's definitely doable. Not as good as a frame designed around 22"s though.

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: January 23, 2013, 08:32:55 PM »

where do you get 22" tubes?

amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Bicycle-Tube-SCHRADER-Valve/dp/B000AOA0VU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1358994688&sr=8-3&keywords=22+X+1%2C75+bicycle+tube

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: January 05, 2013, 07:30:17 PM »

I really like the standover height on that bike.  The rest of the 22s I have seen look a little Killerado scooterish.

T, the standovers on other 22"s are actually not short.  The seat tube/standover on the Holmes 22 is listed as 9" and on the InDust Cuatro, it's 9.5 (top of seat tube down to center of bb).  Lot's of 20" frames have 8" and 8.5" seat tubes.

There's actually a couple of visual effects going on:   a larger wheel makes the seat tube look shorter than on a 20", even when it's not, because the top of the rear wheel comes up higher. Also, if the bb height is shifted down (not 1.75" above axles, but instead, like 1.25" above axles), then the triangles are shifted down slightly--this does make it a relatively lower-slung frame, but not because the seat tube is shorter.

I don't disagree that the taller back end look is cool though.  Reminds me of classic frames like your T1 etc.

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: December 31, 2012, 04:33:12 PM »

Ok, so I'm thinking I'm going to have to get a 22 inch bike...  My only thing is the Holmes specs say it has a 14.1 back end.  Is that in the middle of the dropouts?  I'm riding a 21.5 Mutiny animist right now and I have the back end at about 14.5 right now and that feels too short.  But the Animist has a BB height 1.7 above axle center line and the 22Holmes has a BB height 1.25 above axle center line, so I'm back and forth on whether or not the low bottom bracket will balance out the short back end for me.

Can someone with a 22holmes measure the back end for me and tell me how long it is with the axle all the way in the back of the dropouts (but still in), so that I can convince myself that I don't need to spend the money on a custom one with a longer rear end???

I'm only 5-11 but after riding a Model C a bunch now short back ends feel like they loop out way too quick.

Yes, the lower bb will balance out the shorter back end. But not just the bb . . . the larger diameter wheel will also factor in.  

I say this because I've ridden/tested/experimented with a lot of builds and wheel sizes over the last several years... and even when bb height (relative to axles) and cs is the same, a bike will still pull up differently just based on the wheel size.  

If you don't believe me, put some 20" wheels in your Model C and take it for a spin !   Better still (or maybe not!), get a pair of 22" wheels and 22" fork and run them in your Model C as a test.   I set up a We The People Avenger (ripoff of Model C) like this.  (Your rear brakes will not line up... unless you can somehow slot your dropout further forward and run brakes that can adjust the pads really far back):

Faction Zeitgeist 22" next to a We The People Avenger 24" with 22" wheels and 22" S&M fork.


Also, the InDust Cuatro 24" and the InDust 2ton 22" have similar cs length and bb rise, but you will feel a difference just based on the wheel size.

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: November 26, 2012, 08:08:44 PM »

send that shit to me! I'll send back my black one.

haha.

sent u a msg.

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: November 19, 2012, 06:53:26 PM »

Next time one of you 22" guys go to rays let me know. I'd love to pedal around on it to see how it feels if you don't mind. I live abou an hour and half away so it would be a peace of mind instead of a $700 gamble.

Man, I loved Ray's so much.  I went in Nov '09 I think it was. I'm sure it's even better now. The best part is having different areas for traditional bowl/quarter type park setups and other areas for "trails" style loops that are one-directional and bring you roughly back to where you started.  You can have 30 people on deck and everyone dropping in one after the other in long trains.  Whereas, over in the bowl/box/quarter areas, everyone has to wait on deck for one rider.  Any bike park of the future must incorporate the trails loop concept.

But yeah, it would be sick if there was a 22" demo bike at Ray's.  I suggested that to FACTION like 3 years ago.  Maybe S&M will hook it up.


Pepper's second InDust 2ton, this one, proto.v2.  It's a little shorter in the front as well as the back.  Pepper loves it. Vernon thinks it's a little too short/quick for trails, after being used to v.1.  This is the fun of getting protos made !!


http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237841&p=3842343&viewfull=1#post3842343

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: November 03, 2012, 10:18:38 AM »

Pepper G's InDust 2ton 22" gets flattened:

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: September 28, 2012, 11:02:40 AM »

Cullen, have you ridden an S&M 22" yet?  Why is it that I like that one a lot, but can't get down with how your or Vern's bikes feel?   I pedaled the show bike from Vegas around and it felt exactly how I would have wanted.  Pulled up nice and held manuals, bunny hopped nice, and felt like it had the proper responsive front end.

This was all just in a ride up and down the isle of the show, so its not like I am sending it on any jumps.  But after pedaling it around at the show.....I want to send it off some jumps...haha.

No, but I'm sure it's rad, too.  (The Holmes is very similar to the 2Ton on the bb height and back end, but the InDust is just longer in the front end (21.75"tt), esp when considering the laid back seat tube angle on the Holmes).   And, I just saw this on bmxmuseum: "S&M posted on their twitter that they are welding up 22's with 22" top tubes."

As long as people are getting stoked on a new option, it's all good.   Hopefully this will continue and there will be more tire options.

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The Bike Shop / 22 inches

« on: September 28, 2012, 07:48:20 AM »

On the Holmes. Who makes the rims or are the just generic rims? Whats the tire width like?

The wheels are done under the Revenge label:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revenge-Industries-22-Wheel-Set-S-M-Holmes-BMX-Dirt-Jump-Bike-Cruiser-tire-/110940292292



pic from:
http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=3732187#p3732187