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The Back Alley => Site Help and Rules => Topic started by: sheepdog on July 31, 2006, 10:51:57 PM
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I do not care if it is hosted on Google or whatever.
If you post a link, you WILL be banned for at least 2 weeks.
This is your only warning.
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Whoa i havent seen any of those?!
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Chad shack is psyched
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Thank you!
I'm tired of the cheap bastards stealing from our sport.
If you want to watch a video, plunk down the cash.
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Thank you!
I'm tired of the cheap bastards stealing from our sport.
If you want to watch a video, plunk down the cash.
i watch new videos all the time, and i plunk down no cash and i steal nothing and it has nothing to do with the internet. is there something wrong with watching your friends videos too?
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personally i think this rule sucks but your the boss sheep
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I was getting on the mods asses about this on pinkbike, I think they fixed it
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i watch new videos all the time, and i plunk down no cash and i steal nothing and it has nothing to do with the internet. is there something wrong with watching your friends videos too?
No, but your still cheap.
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Sorry :o
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personally i think this rule sucks but your the boss sheep
Hmm, well lets see...
1. You are doing it publicly, see # 1, can you say evidence?
2. It hurts your sport/religion, whatever you call this.
3. Companies watch BG. I have been asked by more than one company to take down links or sales of their pirated videos. How much of a dick do you have to be to post links to a video of a company YOU KNOW is on BG. How much of an asshole do you have to be to link to an Odyssey video knowing Jim, Nuno and Chris all watch this place? Same with other companies. Almost every major bmx company watches BG (probably 90%). They may not admit to it, but they do.
4. Not only is it againt federal law, and BG rules it is against my hosts rules. It is illegal. As in crime. You know, FBI warning and shit... That is great, get Bg shut down for your stupidity.
5. It puts my ass on the line because of you doing stuff. Do you really think I want to be sued because of you?
Think just a little bit people.
We are not some rinky dink little site no one knows about. Every search engine links to us. We are pretty much the largest bmx site. We have tens of thousands of readers (way over that), which puts us up there with most bmx magazines. Manufacturers cannot afford not to pay attention as BG consists and represents a major part of the bmx market.
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^ They're not the ones ripping the videos, they are already on Google/Youtube/what have you.
Maybe if someone went into the video section and made a thread saying, "here, I just ripped such and such, you can all download it off me now instead of paying", then it would be a big deal. I don't see how posting links to existing content puts you at risk.
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^ They're not the ones ripping the videos, they are already on Google/Youtube/what have you.
Maybe if someone went into the video section and made a thread saying, "here, I just ripped such and such, you can all download it off me now instead of paying", then it would be a big deal. I don't see how posting links to existing content puts you at risk.
So if somone robbed a bank, and handed you the money that makes it alright? It is still pirated or stolen is it not? It is still being illegally distributed.
As for the links getting me into trouble. Have you not been watching the lawsuits going on by the MPAA and RIAA. They have sued dentists for playing music in his lobby. If they could, they would charge royalties for singing a song to your child or humming a tune. They would if they could. Also a few years ago a magazine called 2600 was sued just for linking to a site containing the decryption code for DVD's. They lost.
Then there is the other problem.
Who pays to keep BG running? Those same people you guys are watching stolen videos from. Ever heard of "don't bite the hand that feeds you".
And yes, people have offered to trade pirated videos for parts and organised chat rooms for trading pirated videos on BG.
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hey ^^^ so you are saying the rf video right now in the video section is wrong? and what if i edit my stuff and upload it on you tube, is it wrong, i cant get it straight
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What about videos of kids getting thrown off roundabout's on Google, you cool with that?
Also, what about video's what have been on TV a gazillion times already, E.G Props 7?
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If it has been on t.v. a 'gazillion' times, I dont see the point in effort of ripping it and uploading it anyway...
But also people like fuel tv or whoever they have gottin permission from the company themselves to air the video, so even if it has been shown on t.v. many times it still doesnt make it legal to rip it for others to see so sheepdog could still most indefinetly get in trouble for it from either the company or his host.
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If it has been on t.v. a 'gazillion' times, I dont see the point in effort of ripping it and uploading it anyway...
But also people like fuel tv or whoever they have gottin permission from the company themselves to air the video, so even if it has been shown on t.v. many times it still doesnt make it legal to rip it for others to see so sheepdog could still most indefinetly get in trouble for it from either the company or his host.
I can't be arsed to turn the TV on?
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No, but your still cheap.
you gotta be kidding me...
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I can't be arsed to turn the TV on?
It doesnt matter, its illegal and if its illegal you heard sheepdog.. no no or your tmp banned.
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you gotta be kidding me...
No, I'm not.
He watches his freinds videos all of the time without ever buying any. I've got no problems with that, but he's cheap.
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It doesnt matter, its illegal and if its illegal you heard sheepdog.. no no or your tmp banned.
What's tmp?
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What's tmp?
'temporarily'
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It's a fair enough rule for the latest videos, cos that really pisses me off as well - and who the fuck am I? Like I saw links to All Day and some Shook videos and whatever else pretty much days after they were released, and that's indeed a very shitty thing to do.
BUT, banning people for posting something that nobody's really gonna go out and buy anymore is a bit harsh IMO. Anything older than like 6 months and it's out of date, really. A whole load of new shit'll be released and those who didn't buy it, probably won't.
But yeah whatever, rule's are rules.
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BUT, banning people for posting something that nobody's really gonna go out and buy anymore is a bit harsh IMO. Anything older than like 6 months and it's out of date, really. A whole load of new shit'll be released and those who didn't buy it, probably won't.
But yeah whatever, rule's are rules.
Laws are permanent, it doesn't matter "how old a video is" for it to be copyrighted...
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quite frankly i think sheep is right but crid im going over to watch roadfools 14 in my freinds house now just for you,
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quite frankly i think sheep is right but crid im going over to watch roadfools 14 in my freinds house now just for you,
I'm all for that. I invite my friends over to watch videos all of the time.
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I'm all for that. I invite my friends over to watch videos all of the time.
yeah, that's the point of watching vids. Friends catch stuff that you would other wise never see.
For example props year end 2001, there is a rider that does a 180 to double peg down the rail and his wallet falls out.
I wonder if he ever found his wallet:D
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Laws are permanent, it doesn't matter "how old a video is" for it to be copyrighted...
Not true.
You are correct in this particular case. But a copyright does not have an infinite life.
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And to the moron who thought it would be funny to report this thread because "Yeah, I am horribly offened that you would ban people for spreading videos. Ever thought that the internet is the only place that some individuals can rely on for this stuff?"
I am not only horribly offended that you reported it, I am also offended that you are dumb enough to justify it this way, and that you think I am so mean for temporarily banning someone for BREAKING THE LAW that I have decided to ban you temporarily.
Why?
Because you did it to annoy me, or you are too stupid to realize that you are angry at me for keeping you and myself from getting sued.
Jeez some people are dense.
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Ha Ha.. his email address even mentions the Pope.. Hmm, I do not think the Pope would think you stealing videos is the right thing to do.
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I think this rule is completely justifiyed(sp?). A company who puts out a long talked about video that they have put alot of effort and time just for some kid to copy it onto his computer and upload it onto Google Video sucks. And for someone on this site to spread it around more, and therefore potentially cost the company more profit on there product sucks aswell. Law is law, and there is no way to defy it. However, if I am not mistaken, Odyssey posted that video on Google. And RideBMX posted there "Drop The Hammer" video BECAUSE they knew it was outdated and noone was going to buy it. All in all, buy the video.
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^ They're not the ones ripping the videos, they are already on Google/Youtube/what have you.
Maybe if someone went into the video section and made a thread saying, "here, I just ripped such and such, you can all download it off me now instead of paying", then it would be a big deal. I don't see how posting links to existing content puts you at risk.
agree'd
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I think that it is pretty stupid to link the videos here, and it really sucks about the companies losing money this way..
However I still think if the video is pretty old, or it is hard to find in stores because of the outpouring of new movies, that adding it to Google and or posting a link for others to swee isn't a bad idea..
however, this isn't the case, it's brand new DVDs being posted straight from the DVD they just got.
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BUT, banning people for posting something that nobody's really gonna go out and buy anymore is a bit harsh IMO. Anything older than like 6 months and it's out of date, really. A whole load of new shit'll be released and those who didn't buy it, probably won't.
But yeah whatever, rule's are rules.
If some kid gets banned from a forum for a two weeks, nothing negative happens to him. Hell, he might even read a book or stop worrying about the Ti content of his frame.
But if some kid posts a link to where you can download the latest shook video for free, a few dozen kids might end up not buying the video. The Chad Shackleford might not cover his rent cheque for that month.
Which outcome is worse, really?
Not to mention the fact that if scenario number 2 does occur, Doug could very well end up with his ass sued, and that's two people getting fucked over in life because of one link.
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If some kid gets banned from a forum for a two weeks, nothing negative happens to him. Hell, he might even read a book or stop worrying about the Ti content of his frame.
But if some kid posts a link to where you can download the latest shook video for free, a few dozen kids might end up not buying the video. The Chad Shackleford might not cover his rent cheque for that month.
Which outcome is worse, really?
Not to mention the fact that if scenario number 2 does occur, Doug could very well end up with his ass sued, and that's two people getting fucked over in life because of one link.
Thank you.
Some of these kids think the guys making videos are "livin the life" making these videos. There isn't much money in bmx kids. Posting one link could easily cost hard working folks hundreds if not more, dollars.
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well im going to go and watch animal all day, its on google now.
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well im going to go and watch animal all day, its on google now.
hahaha i love you
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what about RAD?
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what about RAD?
What about it? It's a damn good movie.
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I may have or may not have saw the logyard while in cochran last month
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I think this is justified but anyone who calls another person cheap for not buying videos and watching them online needs to shut up. Some of us have more important things to pay for than bmx videos.
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I definitely agree with not letting people post copyrighted videos, just about every other forum I know of doesn't allow it either. It's called CYA (cover your ass), people.
That said, I have downloaded copyrighted stuff before, but in the case of bike videos I usually either stop watching halfway through, or watch it a couple times and then buy the video if I liked it. I still need to buy Can I Eat, and I'll buy the Fit video when it's out (no, I'm not going to upload it)
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I think this is justified but anyone who calls another person cheap for not buying videos and watching them online needs to shut up. Some of us have more important things to pay for than bmx videos.
Everyone has more important things to buy than bike videos. Not having enough money doesn't mean you should steal, it means you shouldn't get to watch. That's right, it's a product. If you don't have enough money for a car is it ok to steal it?
If you don't have enough money, it's your own fault. If you want material possesions learn to make money like a responsible person instead of bitching.
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Long live interweb piracy !!! Yaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!
(I'm serious. I'm all for it.)
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Long live interweb piracy !!! Yaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!
(I'm serious. I'm all for it.)
You even said Yar!
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new mosh dvd uploaded onto youtube, allow it :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbnAIlhxN_Q
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Everyone has more important things to buy than bike videos. Not having enough money doesn't mean you should steal, it means you shouldn't get to watch. That's right, it's a product. If you don't have enough money for a car is it ok to steal it?
If you don't have enough money, it's your own fault. If you want material possesions learn to make money like a responsible person instead of bitching.
I could contradict you on so many counts but it's really not worth it.
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I could contradict you on so many counts but it's really not worth it.
And it would still not justify it.
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I could contradict you on so many counts but it's really not worth it.
Shit, or get off the pot.
Yeah, I could pwn3dzz0r your argument, but it's really not worth it.
I could create world peace, but it's really not worth it.
I could find a cure for cancer, but it's really not worth it.
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Most of the bigger companies videos are pretty much half hr long adverts, you cant say you havent seen some badass video and as a result formed a higher opinion of (and gone on to buy) their stuff as a result of watching it. Thats my opinion anyway, i dont feel guilty for watching stuff on google etc, i do totally understand the reasons for not putting them on here though. If you want to see stuff its not hard to find.
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I could contradict you on so many counts but it's really not worth it.
No you couldn't.
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90% of companies watch 20inchnyc. not bg.
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90% of companies watch 20inchnyc. not bg.
What, 20inchcanada?
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90% of companies watch 20inchnyc. not bg.
Not Bg?
Just where may I ask did you pull that number/information from?
My guess would be your ass.
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What, 20inchcanada?
20inch new york city
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doesnt youtube and google get in trouble for hosting these or do the people who upload them take full resposibility
why would you guys promote piracy of bmx videos, your killing your favorite sport????
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personally couldnt give less of a fuck, if i get to watch kickass riding for free then thats great. its not like the more i watch videos online the more parts of my bike disappear.
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personally couldnt give less of a fuck, if i get to watch kickass riding for free then thats great. its not like the more i watch videos online the more parts of my bike disappear.
That's actually untrue. I watched the lotek mix-tape online, BAM! There goes my brakes.
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personally couldnt give less of a fuck, if i get to watch kickass riding for free then thats great. its not like the more i watch videos online the more parts of my bike disappear.
Karma is a bitch.
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doesnt youtube and google get in trouble for hosting these or do the people who upload them take full resposibility
why would you guys promote piracy of bmx videos, your killing your favorite sport????
They delete them as soon as they are reported.
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i love watching the U.S citizens reveal their absolute paranoia about being busted by the long arm of 'johnny law'. lame.
You're speaking of not biting the hand that feeds... Well, I don't think that a bmx company is going to risk the PR nightmare, and the possible downfall of it's very target demographic, to sue any person on an internet message board. for posting a video of theirs, online. It's just not worth it for them. Legal fees etc. It all adds up to alot.
I'll mention the fact that most videos use music that is not licenced in anyway, so you were saying what about piracy?
Heres something, Lotek struck gold when their Mixtape was released on Google video. I know for a fact that Lotek stuff has been flying off bikeshop shelves for the last month because of the Word of mouth from kids that have watched it online. It's a publicity dream come true, what they miss on video sales, kids have made up in product. It's how it goes with something like that. Whoever talked about bmx videos being lengthy commercials, is absoloutely right. It's a tool to get riders psyched on a company, after all, the riders for a team are supposed to be sales representatives of their respective companies.
This is a roundabout arguement, and is easily by-passable.
Just link to another website that links to the file. easy. People don't want to be blamed with anything cause it might reflect badly upon them, give them a bad reputation. "OH!? a bad reputation?! i'm so scared of people hating me!! I don't want that!!" thats fucked.
America has so called "free speech"? Whats free about it anymore? nothing. Copyrights, and other legal bullshit, is going to bring everything to the ground. undoubtedly. If someone has to seek legal refuge to use a brand name in a magazine, or a book, or on a show, wheres that going to take us? to hell.
I feel like a Evian water right now, oh shit. fucking sue me.
Ban the shit outta me if you want, I'm not fussed. It's more about the fact that media is the one most powerful resource in this world. period. Sure, someone trying to protect their livelihood is one thing, and thats justifyable. People like Chad shackleford should be making the money to put back into videos, cause thats his business. thats his sole purpose income of Shook. to give back to BMX. Which should be supported. But you can't be the watcher of everyone. I love BMX, but it's always been such a free flowing, care free collective of small companies, and crews which have always looked out for each other, and this is showing that some people are losing sight, and getting fucked up cause of what they see on the news. about people suing others.
Banning people on this forum for posting videos isn't going to do anything at all either, it's better to do it on a "At your own risk" basis. or something, or simply delete it straight up, or approve posts of such nature (containing google video links, large youtube links etc.) so you can monitor things that way, cause I'm afraid that the hand, is about to be bitten. FTW
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are those who are against videos online also opposed to the use of the public library? just curious.
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i love watching the U.S citizens reveal their absolute paranoia about being busted by the long arm of 'johnny law'. lame.
You're speaking of not biting the hand that feeds... Well, I don't think that a bmx company is going to risk the PR nightmare, and the possible downfall of it's very target demographic, to sue any person on an internet message board. for posting a video of theirs, online. It's just not worth it for them. Legal fees etc. It all adds up to alot.
I'll mention the fact that most videos use music that is not licenced in anyway, so you were saying what about piracy?
Heres something, Lotek struck gold when their Mixtape was released on Google video. I know for a fact that Lotek stuff has been flying off bikeshop shelves for the last month because of the Word of mouth from kids that have watched it online. It's a publicity dream come true, what they miss on video sales, kids have made up in product. It's how it goes with something like that. Whoever talked about bmx videos being lengthy commercials, is absoloutely right. It's a tool to get riders psyched on a company, after all, the riders for a team are supposed to be sales representatives of their respective companies.
This is a roundabout arguement, and is easily by-passable.
Just link to another website that links to the file. easy. People don't want to be blamed with anything cause it might reflect badly upon them, give them a bad reputation. "OH!? a bad reputation?! i'm so scared of people hating me!! I don't want that!!" thats fucked.
America has so called "free speech"? Whats free about it anymore? nothing. Copyrights, and other legal bullshit, is going to bring everything to the ground. undoubtedly. If someone has to seek legal refuge to use a brand name in a magazine, or a book, or on a show, wheres that going to take us? to hell.
I feel like a Evian water right now, oh shit. fucking sue me.
Ban the shit outta me if you want, I'm not fussed. It's more about the fact that media is the one most powerful resource in this world. period. Sure, someone trying to protect their livelihood is one thing, and thats justifyable. People like Chad shackleford should be making the money to put back into videos, cause thats his business. thats his sole purpose income of Shook. to give back to BMX. Which should be supported. But you can't be the watcher of everyone. I love BMX, but it's always been such a free flowing, care free collective of small companies, and crews which have always looked out for each other, and this is showing that some people are losing sight, and getting fucked up cause of what they see on the news. about people suing others.
Banning people on this forum for posting videos isn't going to do anything at all either, it's better to do it on a "At your own risk" basis. or something, or simply delete it straight up, or approve posts of such nature (containing google video links, large youtube links etc.) so you can monitor things that way, cause I'm afraid that the hand, is about to be bitten. FTW
at this moment in the morning at 4am, i'm beyond drunk, but this still has to be one of the most thought out posts i've ever read. I'd hope in my life time to meet the individual who posted such a thing and share thoughts.
You, my friend speak the truth about many things i feel towards BMX in this world. I just hope others can find your point of view. Something leads me to believe i know you, while you remain annonymous through this forum.
BMX needs more beliefs from people like yourself.
Giving back, while expecting nothing in return. Ride-on for life my friend.
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You even said Yar!
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of couse he did, he's a pirate
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i love watching the U.S citizens reveal their absolute paranoia about being busted by the long arm of 'johnny law'. lame.
You're speaking of not biting the hand that feeds... Well, I don't think that a bmx company is going to risk the PR nightmare, and the possible downfall of it's very target demographic, to sue any person on an internet message board. for posting a video of theirs, online. It's just not worth it for them. Legal fees etc. It all adds up to alot.
I'll mention the fact that most videos use music that is not licenced in anyway, so you were saying what about piracy?
Heres something, Lotek struck gold when their Mixtape was released on Google video. I know for a fact that Lotek stuff has been flying off bikeshop shelves for the last month because of the Word of mouth from kids that have watched it online. It's a publicity dream come true, what they miss on video sales, kids have made up in product. It's how it goes with something like that. Whoever talked about bmx videos being lengthy commercials, is absoloutely right. It's a tool to get riders psyched on a company, after all, the riders for a team are supposed to be sales representatives of their respective companies.
This is a roundabout arguement, and is easily by-passable.
Just link to another website that links to the file. easy. People don't want to be blamed with anything cause it might reflect badly upon them, give them a bad reputation. "OH!? a bad reputation?! i'm so scared of people hating me!! I don't want that!!" thats fucked.
America has so called "free speech"? Whats free about it anymore? nothing. Copyrights, and other legal bullshit, is going to bring everything to the ground. undoubtedly. If someone has to seek legal refuge to use a brand name in a magazine, or a book, or on a show, wheres that going to take us? to hell.
I feel like a Evian water right now, oh shit. fucking sue me.
Ban the shit outta me if you want, I'm not fussed. It's more about the fact that media is the one most powerful resource in this world. period. Sure, someone trying to protect their livelihood is one thing, and thats justifyable. People like Chad shackleford should be making the money to put back into videos, cause thats his business. thats his sole purpose income of Shook. to give back to BMX. Which should be supported. But you can't be the watcher of everyone. I love BMX, but it's always been such a free flowing, care free collective of small companies, and crews which have always looked out for each other, and this is showing that some people are losing sight, and getting fucked up cause of what they see on the news. about people suing others.
Banning people on this forum for posting videos isn't going to do anything at all either, it's better to do it on a "At your own risk" basis. or something, or simply delete it straight up, or approve posts of such nature (containing google video links, large youtube links etc.) so you can monitor things that way, cause I'm afraid that the hand, is about to be bitten. FTW
Wow, what a bunch of bullshit.
How old are you?
Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
Also, while they may not sue you, they can, and have asked me to remove it, why should I have to be bothered. If they do sue, I get to goto court along with you, plus, they could ask me to ban you. Notice how much involves ME doing the work because of something YOU did. Why should my ass be on the line for you. I already do that enough by hosting this place. You have no idea how many cease and desist letters this place gets.
Microsoft made millions off Windows because of Pirates, that does not mean they want to support them.
As has already been mentioned, linking to a site can get you sued. The precedence for this has already been established. 2600 magazine got nailed for this when they posted a link to a site containg the DE-CSS, the code to decrypt DVD's.
As for free speech, that only protects you in your home. NOT on an internet chat board, or even necessarily even in public. It allows you to speak against your government, it does not give you the rightto steal, yell "FIRE" in a crowd or any other such disruptive things.
Media pretty much IS the most powerfull group in the word, and they control the government. Liek it or not. Beingf as such, they have every right legally to come after your ass or mine.
Above all else, this place is MINE. I make the rules, if you do not like them, go fuck yourself. Why should I have to go around deleteing threads every time somone decides they want to post a video, how fast do you think that will get old. It is a simple rule to follow. So what the fuck is your problem. Jeez, grow the hell up.
You seem tyo have absolutely no clue about the outside world, laws and government.
Oh, and as for paranoia, this place has been threatened with legal action more than a few times. Even if I won a lawsuit it could still cost tens of thousands. Paranoia? No, common sense, try not to get sued. Take a look in teh news and see how many people are being sued over stupid shit. You can file a lawsuit against anyone for any reason if you want. Companies know this. They do not even have to win to shut you down, just make it too expensive for you to continue.
Only a moron would not be paranoid about some of the shit happening in our legal system. And the U.S. is not the only one doing stupid things like this.
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Wow, what a bunch of bullshit.
How old are you?
Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
Also, while they may not sue you, they can, and have asked me to remove it, why should I have to be bothered. If they do sue, I get to goto court along with you, plus, they could ask me to ban you. Notice how much involves ME doing the work because of something YOU did. Why should my ass be on the line for you. I already do that enough by hosting this place. You have no idea how many cease and desist letters this place gets.
Microsoft made millions off Windows because of Pirates, that does not mean they want to support them.
As has already been mentioned, linking to a site can get you sued. The precedence for this has already been established. 2600 magazine got nailed for this when they posted a link to a site containg the DE-CSS, the code to decrypt DVD's.
As for free speech, that only protects you in your home. NOT on an internet chat board, or even necessarily even in public. It allows you to speak against your government, it does not give you the rightto steal, yell "FIRE" in a crowd or any other such disruptive things.
Media pretty much IS the most powerfull group in the word, and they control the government. Liek it or not. Beingf as such, they have every right legally to come after your ass or mine.
Above all else, this place is MINE. I make the rules, if you do not like them, go fuck yourself. Why should I have to go around deleteing threads every time somone decides they want to post a video, how fast do you think that will get old. It is a simple rule to follow. So what the fuck is your problem. Jeez, grow the hell up.
You seem tyo have absolutely no clue about the outside world, laws and government.
Oh, and as for paranoia, this place has been threatened with legal action more than a few times. Even if I won a lawsuit it could still cost tens of thousands. Paranoia? No, common sense, try not to get sued. Take a look in teh news and see how many people are being sued over stupid shit. You can file a lawsuit against anyone for any reason if you want. Companies know this. They do not even have to win to shut you down, just make it too expensive for you to continue.
Only a moron would not be paranoid about some of the shit happening in our legal system. And the U.S. is not the only one doing stupid things like this.
at this moment in the evening at 7pm, i'm not actually drunk, but this still has to be one of the most thought out posts i've ever read. I'd hope in my life time to meet the individual who posted such a thing and share thoughts.
You, my friend speak the truth about many things i feel towards BMX in this world. I just hope others can find your point of view. Something leads me to believe i know you, while you remain annonymous through this forum.
BMX needs more beliefs from people like yourself.
Giving back, while expecting nothing in return. Ride-on for life my friend.
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I believe that BMX videos are a great source of advertising. I also believe that BMX companies have the right to choose wether or not they would rather sell bmx videos as a product, or give them away as advertising.
It's not up to the consumer to choose another companies marketing strategy.
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at this moment in the evening at 7pm, i'm not actually drunk, but this still has to be one of the most thought out posts i've ever read. I'd hope in my life time to meet the individual who posted such a thing and share thoughts.
You, my friend speak the truth about many things i feel towards BMX in this world. I just hope others can find your point of view. Something leads me to believe i know you, while you remain annonymous through this forum.
BMX needs more beliefs from people like yourself.
Giving back, while expecting nothing in return. Ride-on for life my friend.
(http://www.stuckatwork.com/smileys/jump.gif)
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what about drop the hammer?
Ride posted that themselves
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Like it or not, there is always going to be "piracy."
Whether it is involved within this forum or not, is totally up to sheep. I'm pretty sure we're all clear on his views.
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Whether it is involved within this forum or not, is totally up to sheep. I'm pretty sure we're all clear on his views.
I am not entirely against it personally.
However BG's host, most definately is and can terminate BG's contract if they find this place promoting it. It is in the terms of service.
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I don't know exactly where to begin here, but it's pretty easy to see where it's going to end.
You wan't to keep this place free of disruptions, free of illegally posted videos, and thats fair enough. But you can't expect everyone to play along, and you can't expect everyone to just stomach the fact that people are being told what to do by some words on a computer screen.
Wow, what a bunch of bullshit.
How old are you?.....................
....Above all else, this place is MINE. I make the rules, if you do not like them, go fuck yourself. Why should I have to go around deleteing threads every time somone decides they want to post a video, how fast do you think that will get old. It is a simple rule to follow. So what the fuck is your problem. Jeez, grow the hell up.
I don't see what my age has anything to do with this, other than the fact that you obviously think i'm some stupid 16 year old kid. I'm 22, and more than capable of expressing my own opinions, and if you don't like that, so be it. I'd rather go fuck myself than be apart of something that someone pushes to be "theirs". The whole "I'm the Boss" thing isn't going to get you anywhere, and the last thing i want to see, is somewhere in bmx where kids are forced into thinking one way, and saying another, because they don't want to get banned by the 'almighty' mods, or lose their rep. Fuck that.
But thats slightly off topic.
Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
Try that vice versa - what gives them the right to steal music? essentially, thats money for nothing. right?
Nothing gives me the right to steal a video, nothing gives me the right to speed in my car, to swear, or to download music off the internet either. Infact, i have no rights to do anything.
I love bmx, and the industry behind it, and it's media power isn't going to go anywhere sitting idle with everyone milling thoughts about wether or not someones going to sue them. the more companies realise the fact that after a certain amount of time, their videos become redundant, they run out, and become a piece of history, cause face it, BMX videos aren't produced in huge runs, like the latest Hollywood films nowadays. They need all the exposure they can get. I'd almost go as far to put it that these posted videos are almost as important to the growth of bmx as the x-games on tv.
Television is quickly becoming a defunct resource as kids are spending hours and hours on the internet (read: myspace) What if, bmx was able to harness the thoughts/intrests of these kids. yeah? shit would grow. If some kids saw say, The Animal video on google, and they get real psyched on their shit, they'll hunt Animal stuff and get into that aspect. cause they're feeling it. I don't want to endorse the illegal bootlegging of copyrighted material, thats wrong, but for bmx videos, which most are un-copyrighted, some need to look at it in a different perspective. instead of just the bad light. More opportunity could come of the 'foul' act than some think.
I hate to compare to skateboarding, but i can count at least into the twenties of people that i know that have gotten into skating cause of a downloaded version of Girl - Yeah Right! on the net, one of which is now a frequent getting coverage in magazines. What if that happens to bike riding??
For instance, i saw the first Animal video online, i was then psyched on it, so i went and bought the second, and the third, cause i wanted to see that shit in high definition, not 320 x 240 and pixelated. makes sense huh? I took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Good for me, good for BMX.
You seem tyo have absolutely no clue about the outside world, laws and government.
I don't have any knowledge about the outside world? Or the laws and government? You obviously are unaware of my intrests, and life experiences. Have you delved into my psyche'? ahh, i don't fucking think so. until then, perhaps re-arrange you're approach.
I'm over this topic, say what you will of that.
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I don't know exactly where to begin here, but it's pretty easy to see where it's going to end.
You wan't to keep this place free of disruptions, free of illegally posted videos, and thats fair enough. But you can't expect everyone to play along, and you can't expect everyone to just stomach the fact that people are being told what to do by some words on a computer screen.
I don't see what my age has anything to do with this, other than the fact that you obviously think i'm some stupid 16 year old kid. I'm 22, and more than capable of expressing my own opinions, and if you don't like that, so be it. I'd rather go fuck myself than be apart of something that someone pushes to be "theirs". The whole "I'm the Boss" thing isn't going to get you anywhere, and the last thing i want to see, is somewhere in bmx where kids are forced into thinking one way, and saying another, because they don't want to get banned by the 'almighty' mods, or lose their rep. Fuck that.
But thats slightly off topic.
Try that vice versa - what gives them the right to steal music? essentially, thats money for nothing. right?
Nothing gives me the right to steal a video, nothing gives me the right to speed in my car, to swear, or to download music off the internet either. Infact, i have no rights to do anything.
I love bmx, and the industry behind it, and it's media power isn't going to go anywhere sitting idle with everyone milling thoughts about wether or not someones going to sue them. the more companies realise the fact that after a certain amount of time, their videos become redundant, they run out, and become a piece of history, cause face it, BMX videos aren't produced in huge runs, like the latest Hollywood films nowadays. They need all the exposure they can get. I'd almost go as far to put it that these posted videos are almost as important to the growth of bmx as the x-games on tv.
Television is quickly becoming a defunct resource as kids are spending hours and hours on the internet (read: myspace) What if, bmx was able to harness the thoughts/intrests of these kids. yeah? shit would grow. If some kids saw say, The Animal video on google, and they get real psyched on their shit, they'll hunt Animal stuff and get into that aspect. cause they're feeling it. I don't want to endorse the illegal bootlegging of copyrighted material, thats wrong, but for bmx videos, which most are un-copyrighted, some need to look at it in a different perspective. instead of just the bad light. More opportunity could come of the 'foul' act than some think.
I hate to compare to skateboarding, but i can count at least into the twenties of people that i know that have gotten into skating cause of a downloaded version of Girl - Yeah Right! on the net, one of which is now a frequent getting coverage in magazines. What if that happens to bike riding??
For instance, i saw the first Animal video online, i was then psyched on it, so i went and bought the second, and the third, cause i wanted to see that shit in high definition, not 320 x 240 and pixelated. makes sense huh? I took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Good for me, good for BMX.
I don't have any knowledge about the outside world? Or the laws and government? You obviously are unaware of my intrests, and life experiences. Have you delved into my psyche'? ahh, i don't fucking think so. until then, perhaps re-arrange you're approach.
I'm over this topic, say what you will of that.
Hmm, I was only off about 3 years... Who would have thought... :rolleyes:
Anyone who does not play along, gets banned. What do you expect. That is what it all boils down to. It is not a choice for me, I either do this or BG gets shut down.
As for companies stealing music, as I said, just because they steal it, that does not give you the right to steal it as well. Again, 2 wromgs do not make a right. You may not have the right to speed, but you do have the FREEDOM (not right) to drive a car, and you can download songs legally if you look around.
By the way, many large companeis have lawyers on retainer, just in case, and often run EVERYTHING past legal before making a statement or publish anything, why? Because they can be sued so easily.
You can try and justify it all you want , I have heard all the slogans before. The simple truth is that it is wrong. No matter how you justify it, it is theft. Show me how downloadinga video is not theft and I will side with you, but just because it is old and lost value does not mean it is worthless.
And sorry, but 22 does not exactly imply a world of knowledge. In fact that is not far off the age where people peak in arrogance.
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Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
Karma is a bitch.
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I'm kind of torn here... Sheep does run the place and what not, and we don't have much choice other then to deal with his decisions and what not...
But I've honestly bought a fair amount of videos due to pirated copies I have seen...
And just for the record.... Age isn't the diffinitive charactersitic of knowledge.. It doesn't matter how old, or young you are... I've met 18 year old kids that know far more then many people twice, or even thrice their age...
With the age of the internet... Information is so easilly accessable (good and bad in both ways as noted by this thread) that one can learn about most anything at their own pace... It's no longer dictated to them by a teacher, or scholar, it's waiting there, at their fingertips.
Oh yes.... A post script for this post and a very likely possibility if the market of labels gets their way: How long till it's illegal to whistle/hum/sing a copywrited song? Or is it, possibly, already illegal?
Fuck...
Whatever, just don't post links to shit on here and keep yourself out of trouble.
Deal with it.
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Whatever, just don't post links to shit on here and keep yourself out of trouble.
Deal with it.
Exactly my point, the host does not want it, therefore we have to deal with it.
As for the age thing, I could easily tell how old he was based on his views on doing illegal things. Most older people will not try to justify it like he did.
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The one thing I will fully agree with him on is the stealing of music. If someone is going to cut corners and bypass paying for (potentially) thousands of dollars worth of music rights, I have no problem with bypassing paying $30 for the video.
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Aye, I like how Rich Hirsch called me a bitch in the credits but thanked the internet for the music.
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Haha, I saw that bikeguide thing on there too :p Speaking of the Mixtape - if I hadn't seen it online I doubt I'd have bought it, but I ended up buying two copies of it, one for me and one for my brother. Just going back to:
Show me how downloadinga video is not theft and I will side with you
On Streetphire, someone posted up a link to Voices on googlevideo and said it was shit that it was up there. I can't remember who it was (may have been Marv?), but he said he didn't mind Voices being on there 'cos they'd sold all of their copies of it and it made it so that people could see the video who wouldn't ordinarily have been able to see it, so they'd be inspired too. I know it's not the same deal with stuff like All Day or whatever, but I just wanted to point that example out.
It'd be interesting to see if BMX companies WOULD take people to court over it though, especially in the case of something like the Mixtape where no music rights were gained at all. They're not really in a position to sue people simply 'cos it'd draw attention to the fact they hadn't got the rights either? I only know of the Mixtape not getting music rights 'cos it said so, but I'm guessing with other videos it's probably a similar story too...
Either way: Sheep's house, Sheep's rules, pretty much.
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at this moment in the evening at 7pm, i'm not actually drunk, but this still has to be one of the most thought out posts i've ever read. I'd hope in my life time to meet the individual who posted such a thing and share thoughts.
You, my friend speak the truth about many things i feel towards BMX in this world. I just hope others can find your point of view. Something leads me to believe i know you, while you remain annonymous through this forum.
BMX needs more beliefs from people like yourself.
Giving back, while expecting nothing in return. Ride-on for life my friend.
I hereby grant you the most honourary order of the brown nose.
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Haha, I saw that bikeguide thing on there too :p
Huh?
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Huh?
Rich Hirsh thanked bikeguide in the credits of the Lotek video.
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Aye, I like how Rich Hirsch called me a bitch in the credits but thanked the internet for the music.
Yeah for real.
Made me wish I would of just watched it on google instead of buying it.
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Rich Hirsh thanked bikeguide in the credits of the Lotek video.
Sweet!
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How about in secret threads ;)
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How about in secret threads ;)
S'alrite for some, but not all of us have access to the TAH area.
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DELETING MY POSTS! Oh dear Sheep!
I', drunk, chill!
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What about Nails in the Coffin? (To quote the back of the box)
"Silence your tongue for 35 minutes and take a look behin the mask of Bicycle Union. Once you've taken a look run a couple of copies off for your friends. This video is for the promotion of BMX. Fuck the FBI and copyright laws.
Live life.....Raise Hell"
BMX needs more people like John Dye and far less of the fuckers for whom money is their prime concern.
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I hereby grant you the most honourary order of the brown nose.
Scroll up and read.
Pretty good that bikeguide got a mention in the credits...
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Wow, what a bunch of bullshit.
Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
i believe its called swings and fucking roundabouts. maaate. so, a company steals the music to use in their video and then gets pissy when their shit gets pirated? hows that for karma? at the end of the day, i cant afford to buy bmx dvds cuz i got fuck all money. lotek has not lost out by me watching their dvd on google cuz because i was never gonna buy it. the same as animal etc.
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i believe its called swings and fucking roundabouts. maaate. so, a company steals the music to use in their video and then gets pissy when their shit gets pirated? hows that for karma? at the end of the day, i cant afford to buy bmx dvds cuz i got fuck all money. lotek has not lost out by me watching their dvd on google cuz because i was never gonna buy it. the same as animal etc.
agreed. if i want a video ill buy it but, if "all day" is accesable to me through the interent without paying for it, im going to watch it for free. im not stealing anything. all the bike dvds when shipped to distributors are acounted for. all of those dvds will be sold the legal way and whatever else will either be returned to the company or put on sale.
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90% of companies watch 20inchnyc. not bg.
fuck off, a forum with like 100 threads in each section?
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I have never seen a video on here, I have seen atleast 50 on 20inch.
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ill buy my movies shows support for the company they need money too
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chase hawk has a new movie =) removed
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chase hawk has a new movie =) removed
When will you people learn.
1 week.
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Seem a bit hypocritical for companies to bitch about video piracy when they pirate music.
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Seem a bit hypocritical for companies to bitch about video piracy when they pirate music.
Not all of them do.
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Oic.
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Not all of them do.
Id say well more than 75% of them contain at least 1 song that has not been payed for...hell I bet a lot of the songs were even downloaded illegally as well...
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Id say well more than 75% of them contain at least 1 song that has not been payed for...hell I bet a lot of the songs were even downloaded illegally as well...
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Besides, the host for many sites WILL shut you down by allowing this stuff. Not to mention you and I can be sued over it.
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I think putting these video's online (like Lotek Mixtape and All day, as well as Fitlife and all other (great) video's only delivers those companys even more positive publicity... I' ma be serious, i'd never buy anything from a company who's DVD that has been put out was total crap, i want the bmx company i buy from to be serious in the bmx scene.
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I' ma be serious, i'd never buy anything from a company who's DVD that has been put out was total crap
That to a certain point off course, but i think you get the point.
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Hiya Sheepdog,
Could you please make a video tutorial on 'BMX Brakes' and putting it on Utube or anywhere where we can follow. I sort of need it for my Dia Compe 990's front and back AND gyro XL setup.
please help an oldman.
Thanks.
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Hiya Sheepdog,
Could you please make a video tutorial on 'BMX Brakes' and putting it on Utube or anywhere where we can follow. I sort of need it for my Dia Compe 990's front and back AND gyro XL setup.
please help an oldman.
Thanks.
Maybe.
I hate making tutorials.
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Maybe.
I hate making tutorials.
Great ! At least a maybe.
Matt Wilhelm did a video tutorial on How to build a BMX in 3 parts.
Didn't cover brakes fitting though.
No one more qualified than you sheepdog on tackling fitting of brakes as I did a search and found your instructions. But watching how it's done properly would be extremely helpful.
So here's hoping for the announcement of your video. ;)
cheers
oldman
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Be trendy, be brakeless d00d.
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Be trendy, be brakeless d00d.
More like be trendy, disregard for your life and forget stopping.