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The Street => The Lounge => Topic started by: alaskun on January 25, 2016, 02:43:08 PM
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I GUARANTEE you they're going to fuck this up.
Meanwhile they're shoving natural gas up our asses before we even have a supply line or any infrastructure, far-exceeding any of their cost estimates, criminalizing woodstove users, and taking crazy aggressive actions against people using the waterways or doing anything that has to do with fish...
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How can they enforce the woodstove thing?
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Vehicles are already driving around with imaging stuff/'sniffers'/air quality testers on the roofs.
Also aerial imaging, but they don't talk about that.
Heavily-advertised programs, which are voluntary at first, involving turning in your neighbors/the 'offenders,' have been announced/in place for years now, and they're digging in, not giving up.
The city I live in is part of a natural valley/bowl. Cold temperatures/inversion + all the vehicles/furnaces in that bowl means poor air quality. But it's being twisted as a human/wood-caused-phenomenon and they're taxing people for it, with the stated intention to ramp up that 'pressure.'
A few years ago we were described worldwide as one of the worst cities in the country as far as air quality - even higher than NYC and places in china - based on totally contrived/misrepresented numbers. Not because we actually are bad, but because they're trying to force some bullshit through. And it's very clear to anyone actually watching it.
And nevermind the gigantic wildfires/opaque skys the army starts every summer...
"Voluntary burn bans." Roadsigns stating this all over the place now.
It starts with fines. failure to pay a fine leads to... what?
they've already had woodstove buy-back programs where they've destroyed many modern/clean/highly-efficient/expensive stoves, instead of donating them to places using dirtier/worse/more expensive equipment. Counter-intuitive by definition, criminal if you have common sense...
pretty sure there are countless other ways they could claim to be enforcing violations, all the way down to stealing the king's wood
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Do you guys have a problem with fires or are you just being bent over?
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My area has had chimney fires banned for a while, weather dependent though. If there has been rain, wind, or something to dissipate the particulate out of the valley, then you can burn. Otherwise, you don't in risk of being seen by a vehicle who will kind of easily find you if you are in there proximity. I think you get a ticket your first offense, but I think you might get a warning. Either way, I think subsequent infractions are more severe each time. There are also loopholes as I understand. One being if you are rural and do not have alternative heating methods.
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Do you guys have a problem with fires
in the summer, yes, but this has nothing to do with fire danger. Burn-ban or not the army regularly 'accidentally' sets massive fires and gets away with it. Air quality/visibility in the summer can be HORRIBLE but you never hear about anyone paying for it. It's about controlling peoples' heat source in the winter.
or are you just being bent over?
If nature doesn't do it every summer, the army regularly starts massive fires that destroy homes/properties, displacing many people, disrupting everyday life, and very much negatively affecting the tourism industry, not to mention the air quality.
But smokey/smoggy skies in the winter are an excuse for the legislature to ruin/take more homes, and they're doing it...
We voted against the measures they want to enforce, and they started implementing them anyways saying the voters "misunderstood the morals of clean air" or some garbage...
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Wow. Just wow.
Speaking of the military doing shit in the US, did they take over Texas when Jade Helm happened? No? They didn't? Oh, ok.
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They certainly didn't refuse federal aid after floods.
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Wood stoves cause aerosoles while burning natural gas doesnt. Banning open fires and pushing for gas heating makes sense in your area.
Artificial controlled forest fires in an area prone for forest fires makes sense if it can prevent wide spread uncontrollable forest fires.
Based on your posts it seems like you overreact.
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makes sense in your area.
Oh, so you've solved the trucking it in VS pipeline VS other/cheaper/more available fuels debates. Mountains, rivers, idling diesel engines, entire city works/infrastructure projects be damned, you've figured it out...
Artificial controlled forest fires in an area prone for forest fires
accidental/surprise fires that affect residential areas are different from actual deliberately-set controlled burns in isolated areas. Can you understand that? I'm not talking about controlled burns, I'm talking about the artillery ranges and other army stuff that admittedly, repeatedly accidentally starts massive fires, which make our air yellower/stinkier than any time ever in the winter when woodstoves are in use, which is never accounted for in any of the "air quality" legislation.
I understand you're just trying to insult me, but stop acting retarded. It (here anyways) very openly/clearly has nothing to do with banning 'open fires' or preventing the spread of fire, it's about air quality/cleanliness. Clean air, not fires. They aren't implementing burn bans when it's -15 and there's 3 feet of snow covering everything because of the chance of wildfires, they're doing it because they say the air quality is bad.
I swear to god bikeguide is still the worst website I've ever been a part of as far as people deliberately twisting what I write
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Wow. Just wow.
Speaking of the military doing shit in the US, did they take over Texas when Jade Helm happened? No? They didn't? Oh, ok.
This is just like when you (http://www.bikeguide.org/forum/index.php/topic,221287.msg3719858.html#msg3719858) dropped a bunch of 4chan references in order to insinuate that I'm some sort of 4chan user/loser/bad person.
"Oh, ok"
Were you expecting some sort of takeover plot/event? Why are you acting like I was? I wasn't, and I never posted anything of the sort. Many other people in other places did, sure, but not me, not here or anywhere. Why are you acting like I or anyone else here did?
People were concerned about massive displays of incremental militarization, and idiots like you have been acting like they were all saying the sky is falling/the end is near/doomsday/rapture/etc... only referencing the craziest theories instead of the actual valid complaints/concerns, as if your assertion, or your interpretation; that jade helm = dramatic military takeover, obviously not coming to fruition, is somehow proof that all of their very real concerns were crazy/wrong/dismissable...
stop projecting, asshole.
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I assure you, my intent was not to insult you.
I only get on BG when I have a few min to spare at work and had a quick glance at what you wrote and it seemed logical. If you now say that the set fires are unsafe then it doesnt make sense.
I however do not want to post anything in your threads ever again since you seem to twist what what everyone writes and insult anyone commenting on it. Might very well be that people have twisted what you say but you are still doing it yourself.
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No, alaskun, I'm not projecting. Your theories are only hilarious, nothing more to me.
Since you live in a democratic society, you could always run for office and make your constituents wear tinfoil hats too, while making america great again.
No need to get butthurt over someone laughing at your conspiracy theories on a bmx forum. Have a good one, friend.
Edit: While I have you here, do you believe that the US military can control the weather with HAARP? Or that HAARP is a mind control device?
Do you need to see a specialist? Or do you just want adult supervision at all times? Do you need a hug? Everything is going to be alright, tiger.
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"Currently salmon is worth more that crude oil"
What the fuck does that even mean? A barrel of salmon? One salmon is worth more than one crude oil? Will salmon power my petrol lawnmower? So many questions.
And then barrage of seemingly unrelated shit about forest fires. And no links or text walls.
Someone please give me some context. I live in a cottage in Kent, will using my chimney affect my petrol price and/or the salmon fishcake I ate yesterday?
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Kinchy, how isn't this obvious to you? It's obviously a plot. Global warming is just a MYTH, that is peddled to you morons who don't pay attention to what's really going on. Ash-ridden air so thick you can barely breathe or see six inches in front of you has no impact on anything whatsoever, except they make the chemtrails visible if you're not a sheeple and have the Smoggles they sell in the survivalist shop that is run by that guy who's definitely not a deranged neo-Nazi. Barack HUSSEIN Obama has been planning this all along. Didn't you see him at COP21? They don't even pretend that they're not trying to act like the world police and tell me whether or not combusting a carbon-based finite resource to my heart's content is clever or not when there are multiple alternatives available. The Czech Republic were there. Bit funny, no? Seeing as they've started injecting methane gas into kittens just because the communists are rebuilding in Austria and they signed a deal that means salmon imported from Indonesia must travel through ISIS territory: http://www.madcrapontoast.batshit.wordpress.com/boxoffrogs (http://www.madcrapontoast.batshit.wordpress.com/boxoffrogs)
So you go ahead and recycle your plastic bottles because the GOVERNMENT want you to and I'll just sit here burning wood for the sake of it and trawling Twitter for pictures of a truck in Benghazi that has a logo on it that's a bit similar to one a gas company used to have. Don't come running to me when Hillary Clinton bombs Fiji again and you have to survive on "fluoride" water the CIA invented when they were trying to bring Ronald Reagan back to life because he had the keys to Saddam's launch codes for the weapons that Palestine have hidden in the oil wells at the Bush Ranch. http://www.dailymail.com/dianawaskilledbybadgerswithTB (http://www.dailymail.com/dianawaskilledbybadgerswithTB)
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Ash-ridden air so thick you can barely breathe or see six inches in front of you has no impact on anything whatsoever
the only time it's EVER like that is in the summer, which has absolutely nothing to do with woodstoves.
thanks for playing though
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Wood stoves are ridiculously inefficient and should be phased out. You're a numpty.
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I gotta side with Alaskun on this one. While burning natural gas might be better that says nothing to the earth-ruining extraction methods, carbon footprint from the supply lines, ruining pristine lands with pipelines, not to mention the massive fucking leak in California. People are evacuated, kids having health problems, unknown environmental damage. Just because it's clean and easy at your house doesn't mean it's a clean fuel. Compare that to someone who owns their land, cuts and seasons their own lumber, replants lumber (which actually adds something), and warms their own home for free.
It's like fucking rain barrels in Colorado. They're illegal. The bullshit reason: The water belongs to everyone and you can't steal your neighbors water. Real reason: We want you to buy the water from us instead of collecting it for free.
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Salmon is delicious.
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I gotta side with Alaskun on this one. While burning natural gas might be better that says nothing to the earth-ruining extraction methods, carbon footprint from the supply lines, ruining pristine lands with pipelines, not to mention the massive fucking leak in California. People are evacuated, kids having health problems, unknown environmental damage. Just because it's clean and easy at your house doesn't mean it's a clean fuel. Compare that to someone who owns their land, cuts and seasons their own lumber, replants lumber (which actually adds something), and warms their own home for free.
It's like fucking rain barrels in Colorado. They're illegal. The bullshit reason: The water belongs to everyone and you can't steal your neighbors water. Real reason: We want you to buy the water from us instead of collecting it for free.
The rain thing is ridiculous, the wood stove thing is not so ridiculous. I see your point re; fossil fuel extraction but if we all reverted back to wood stoves instead of LNG we would be in a much worse position. Ideally, we should ramp up small-scale renewable installations and use an electric stove to have clean air and negate fossil fuels.
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Salmon is delicious.
I disagree so hard...
Just because it's clean and easy at your house doesn't mean it's a clean fuel. Compare that to someone who owns their land, cuts and seasons their own lumber, replants lumber (which actually adds something), and warms their own home for free.
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also, there was a 7.something earthquake the other night and ~4 homes burnt down because of the ruptured gas lines, which they were forced to accept/pay for whether they wanted them installed or not.
Even at their best estimates, the natural gas, when it eventually is all installed/available, is still going to cost more than everything else. People still have to convert/adapt their homes. They're encroaching on/destroying peoples' properties to bury the pipe, raising taxes, and forcing a more expensive system up our asses, before they even have the logistics settled on, and it's going to be very expensive, and a very negative/destructive experience for a lot of people...
lol tinfoil hat though, right...
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What town do you live in?
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I gotta side with Alaskun on this one. While burning natural gas might be better that says nothing to the earth-ruining extraction methods, carbon footprint from the supply lines, ruining pristine lands with pipelines, not to mention the massive fucking leak in California. People are evacuated, kids having health problems, unknown environmental damage. Just because it's clean and easy at your house doesn't mean it's a clean fuel. Compare that to someone who owns their land, cuts and seasons their own lumber, replants lumber (which actually adds something), and warms their own home for free.
It's like fucking rain barrels in Colorado. They're illegal. The bullshit reason: The water belongs to everyone and you can't steal your neighbors water. Real reason: We want you to buy the water from us instead of collecting it for free.
The rain thing is ridiculous, the wood stove thing is not so ridiculous. I see your point re; fossil fuel extraction but if we all reverted back to wood stoves instead of LNG we would be in a much worse position. Ideally, we should ramp up small-scale renewable installations and use an electric stove to have clean air and negate fossil fuels.
But no one is saying everyone has to revert back to wood stoves. Just that the people who want to use them and not rely on someone else for their heating should be able to do so. I agree with everything you're saying otherwise. The only other thing I'll add is that electricity goes out, especially in rural areas with bad weather (aka Alaska) and then you're running a gas generator to power that electric heater. Power goes out with a wood stove you're still in business.
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What town do you live in?
fairbanks. the earthquake was further south
http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/kenai-families-lose-homes-in-earthquake/article_020d7b3c-c3b6-11e5-8a64-c7fe2f03d6cd.html
KENAI, Alaska - Vincent Calderon and Carrie Gaethle had just gotten their two children back to bed after being shaken awake by a 7.1 magnitude tremor that rocked the Kenai Peninsula Sunday morning when their house exploded into a mass of blue flames.
"As soon as we got the kids back to sleep, probably about 15, 20 minutes after the earthquake ... it felt like we came a foot off the ground," Calderon said. "The back wall flew off the house, the floors blew off."
..The couple's house on Lilac Lane in Kenai was the first of two that were destroyed by gas explosions and one of four that ended up being burnt to the ground following the earthquake and a gas leak in the area.
The only other thing I'll add is that electricity goes out, especially in rural areas with bad weather (aka Alaska) and then you're running a gas generator to power that electric heater. Power goes out with a wood stove you're still in business.
bingo
There have been more/longer winter power outages in just the past 3 years than in the 15 I've lived here. Not having a woodstove means frozen/burst waterlines and dead people.
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Right, you're in the boonies. I see your problem with infrastructure now, so I'll change my stance to "mostly agree".
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Only because Hank came in and used actual sentences to explain what the issue was.
Where does salmon fit into this and what scale are we using to compare the cost of oil with the cost of salmon?
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1 salmons = 1 burnout.
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Was it caused from fracking or salmon feeling the cost of oil tilting the land mass and causing the earthquakes
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i came into this thread expecting a discussion on oil prices and possibly salmon dishes. instead i'm completely lost.
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I may have single handedly broke the economy, not much of a tree hugger neither.
Anybody like two strokes er wha