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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: Fundamental on April 26, 2015, 03:14:26 AM
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There have been quite a few shots and videos regarding some new Odyssey stuff.
Any word on release dates or details? Here are a few I've seen mentioned and prototypes on riders bikes checks, but haven't seen or heard anything further.
Dugan pedals & stem
Raiford stem
Ross stem
Hawk 24" tires
Freecoaster
G-Sport Simian rear cassette
What's the deal?
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stems are out im pretty sure. theyre all similar looking except theyve got different reaches and rises depending on the sig riders preference
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Gsport hub sounds good
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Chad Osburn lives pretty close to me, rides for gsport, and is still cruising around on an antigram back hub
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Even though I suspect George to have had quite a part in the design in the Antigram isnt it a bit weird that you are sponsored by gsport but doesnt ride a ratchet?
Always found it odd when people are sponsored by one company but ride other companies products.
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Ratchets are discontinued, so the Antigram is the next best option from Full Factory.
I don't understand discontinuing the Ratchet. Why not refine it and still offer parts so that current hub owners can upgrade the hub as necessary as the hub evolves. I like that Profile hubs have been around forever and you can still get parts and upgrades even if you have a hub that is a few years old.
On topic, I know the new bars from Odyssey/Sunday are available, but I don't see the stems or other stuff yet.
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Dugan pedals & stem
Raiford stem
Ross stem
Hawk 24" tires
Dugan stem, Raiford stem, Ross stem and 24" hawk tyres have all been released.
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Ratchets are discontinued, so the Antigram is the next best option from Full Factory.
I don't understand discontinuing the Ratchet. Why not refine it and still offer parts so that current hub owners can upgrade the hub as necessary as the hub evolves. I like that Profile hubs have been around forever and you can still get parts and upgrades even if you have a hub that is a few years old.
On topic, I know the new bars from Odyssey/Sunday are available, but I don't see the stems or other stuff yet.
That would be awesome
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the size of the ratchet is surely a big turn off for a lot of bmxers, for whom aesthetic is important.
easier to take the features of the previous model and redesign the hub to include them while also being more compact and svelte, than be limited by the size of the ratchet ring required for the ratchet hub sized driver
i like the ratchet, but realistically it was designed around the shape of the old gsport hubs that are 48 hole, and cos the new one will only come in 36, it makes sense to try and trim it down on the flanges
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I remember liking the ross stem. Stackedbmx has some of them i think.
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There have been quite a few shots and videos regarding some new Odyssey stuff.
Any word on release dates or details? Here are a few I've seen mentioned and prototypes on riders bikes checks, but haven't seen or heard anything further.
Dugan pedals & stem
Raiford stem
Ross stem
Hawk 24" tires
Freecoaster
G-Sport Simian rear cassette
What's the deal?
I think that most of the stems should be available.
Freecoaster (Clutch) should be out very soon, like within the next month I think but dont take that as 100% accurate I need to check.
Simian rear is still working out production niggles, we have had test hubs being ridden for a very long time and its very reliable/solid, but production is throwing up silly little problems that need to be ironed out.
Dugan pedals seem to be taking forever to get tooling sorted out, again its just silly production stuff that takes an eternity to get running right.
Thanks for the interest.
The Uniguard and new GLANDS are both already out too.
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G.
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Uniguard turned out to be much smaller than I anticipated. I think you guys have too many stems though, the Ross stem is basically a Sexton + 3mm or so.
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Its also longer, instead of just 49mm.
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Uniguard turned out to be much smaller than I anticipated. I think you guys have too many stems though, the Ross stem is basically a Sexton + 3mm or so.
Should have just kept the Elementary going and gotten rid of the others in my opinion.
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Uniguard turned out to be much smaller than I anticipated. I think you guys have too many stems though, the Ross stem is basically a Sexton + 3mm or so.
Should have just kept the Elementary going and gotten rid of the others in my opinion.
Preferences in styles change. During the last legs of the elementary stem, I was moving dozens of similarly priced top and front load stems per every elementary stem sold. It wasn't profitable anymore so it was cut. Doesn't make it any less revolutionary or iconic though. That one part will be in the bmx history books for a long time to come.
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Cult Butter/Hawk bars are the same except for one degree of upsweep difference, much more of a waste than having different reach/length stems available.
I really do not know how the hell all of these companies are staying afloat, mail orders are saturated with a ton of stuff that looks exactly the same, albeit different colors. Is BMX that big or you guys think we can expect another mass die-off of companies fairly soon?
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Based on the clink clack clunk trend on ledges and rails I expect people to get bored with it much like when rollerblading started getting street and you said some stupid sentence that described a grind dance on rollerblades. Look what happened to them.
It would be funny if the actual geometry of the bars you mention were exactly the same +/- 1/2°.
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Cults run by robbo, when he ran fit all the frames where pretty much the same except for a degree here and cs length really
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I think BMX already is somewhat dying off, with all the magazines going away its only a matter of time now, I don't think it will be as bad as a death that we had in the 90s though.
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Magazines are going away because print is dead.
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Cults run by robbo, when he ran fit all the frames where pretty much the same except for a degree here and cs length really
they're that way now with the exception of the SOS. all the same just different stand over heights.
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Magazines are going away because print is dead.
I'd agree if all the other magazines were gone aswell, but I still see plenty of Skate, Surf, MTB, hell even snowboarding (in Florida of all places) mags all over the place!
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Isn't Dirt Mag on its last issue?
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Is there a scootering magazine out yet?
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What's up with this:
(http://imgur.com/f5XsxS5.jpg)
There are no words that can accurately capture how bad I want one.
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Meh.
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Meh.
I get that, but I had s 44t one bitd. I still have it, but the graphic came off
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I had one too. I ran it with one piece cranks
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Cant remember them from back in the day. The only thing that might get me to pop a semi is a remake of the profile blackjack. I used to want it sooo bad back in the days
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Back in the day is the 80's....
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Ok, then its before my personal back in the day. I started riding in the late 90s.
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It's Odyssey's 30th anniversary so we are re-issuing them as a celebration, but in more useful sizes and with proper teeth.. Old school collectors will probably be all over it but personally I would say get the new stuff like the Fang instead.
:)
G.
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Really into the classic logo, reminds me of bulldog brakes
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you can buy pleg inserts, will you be selling pleg 2 inserts?
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It's Odyssey's 30th anniversary so we are re-issuing them as a celebration, but in more useful sizes and with proper teeth.. Old school collectors will probably be all over it but personally I would say get the new stuff like the Fang instead.
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G.
please do a 23t one.....lol
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Clutch fc's are shipping if anyone gives a shit
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that 30th sprocket is cool, wouldnt run one cos i like a guard, but still.
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Clutch fc's are shipping if anyone gives a shit
Finally, stoked to try it out.
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I think I'll get a spare wheel built up with a Clutch hub, but will I have to polish it myself?
How are the Dugan pc pedals coming along?
What's up with the LHD Socket drive Thunderbolts? Is there not enough demand for them?
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Clutch fc's are shipping if anyone gives a shit
from where? I need to build a new wheel asap
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eee, glad i waited, i had faith in the july release date.
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Clutch fc's are shipping if anyone gives a shit
from where? I need to build a new wheel asap
Sean Sexton Instagram
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We should have Pleg2 sleeves, doing the inserts on their own seems a bit weird...
Clutch hubs are being assembled now and should be shipping to the US any day, so I would expect them to hit US shops late July (assuming no more port problems etc). I will put up some internal details etc and probably make the odd video to explain how it differs from a standard hub just before they hit the shops. We do have a US patent filing in progress but I still dont want to give other brands too much time to try to rip it off. The differences are subtle mostly, but make a huge difference to function.
Dugan pedals are hopefully in the final stages of development. (for the die-hard metal pedal brigade) Yes, I have a beautiful set of aluminium ones (with steel pins) that I particularly love which are 95% finalised, as well as the plastic ones which are similarly advanced and being ride tested too.
Not sure where we are with LHD socket drive cranks, pretty sure they should be happening by now.
:)
G.
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This could be the first coaster I've liked since the Bamboo, except it's going to be LHD and radder
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agreed. I'm really excited for it. I loved my Poverty coaster, but it needed LHD. My LHD Reverse was junk. Hopefully the clutch holds up to the test of time.
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Definitely rad to hear about the Clutch, but I'm almost more excited about the Dugan pedals.
G, Any idea what the MSRP is going to be for them?
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We should have Pleg2 sleeves, doing the inserts on their own seems a bit weird...
Clutch hubs are being assembled now and should be shipping to the US any day, so I would expect them to hit US shops late July (assuming no more port problems etc). I will put up some internal details etc and probably make the odd video to explain how it differs from a standard hub just before they hit the shops. We do have a US patent filing in progress but I still dont want to give other brands too much time to try to rip it off. The differences are subtle mostly, but make a huge difference to function.
Dugan pedals are hopefully in the final stages of development. (for the die-hard metal pedal brigade) Yes, I have a beautiful set of aluminium ones (with steel pins) that I particularly love which are 95% finalised, as well as the plastic ones which are similarly advanced and being ride tested too.
Not sure where we are with LHD socket drive cranks, pretty sure they should be happening by now.
:)
G.
What options will the Clutch have in terms of it's axle? Will it be either male or female?
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I wish Odyssey would make flatware stuff again
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I wish Odyssey would make flatware stuff again
They are still doing the forks, tires, and cranks. Now you can add freecoaster hubs to the mix! but yeah no more frames, grips or front hubs.
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I wish Odyssey would make flatware stuff again
They are still doing the forks, tires, and cranks. Now you can add freecoaster hubs to the mix! but yeah no more frames, grips or front hubs.
I want red frequency g tires. I'd style for the Dugan or Hawk tires in 1.95
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I'm really looking forward to the Clutch hub, it's the first freecoaster I've been excited about since the NYB. Unfortunately finding one in 14mm, Lhd if possible and in the U.S. Is super unlikely.
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Definitely rad to hear about the Clutch, but I'm almost more excited about the Dugan pedals.
G, Any idea what the MSRP is going to be for them?
Not exactly but it should be very typical, nothing startling.
We should have Pleg2 sleeves, doing the inserts on their own seems a bit weird...
Clutch hubs are being assembled now and should be shipping to the US any day, so I would expect them to hit US shops late July (assuming no more port problems etc). I will put up some internal details etc and probably make the odd video to explain how it differs from a standard hub just before they hit the shops. We do have a US patent filing in progress but I still dont want to give other brands too much time to try to rip it off. The differences are subtle mostly, but make a huge difference to function.
Dugan pedals are hopefully in the final stages of development. (for the die-hard metal pedal brigade) Yes, I have a beautiful set of aluminium ones (with steel pins) that I particularly love which are 95% finalised, as well as the plastic ones which are similarly advanced and being ride tested too.
Not sure where we are with LHD socket drive cranks, pretty sure they should be happening by now.
:)
G.
What options will the Clutch have in terms of it's axle? Will it be either male or female?
So far I think it is Female only and slightly unusually it is full 14mm on the non-drive side and 3/8" with a 14mm shoulder on the drive-side. Before you go WHATTT!!!! There is a very good reason for this. The full 14mm is obviously better, but on the drive-side, using the standard engagement thread, there is no way to go bigger. So on the drive side it has to be 3/8". However the 3/8" female is a lot stronger than a standard 14mm male would have been. So I simply went with what was "best" regardless of symmetry (because after all you wont see it anyway).
Look at it this way. If you had a wasting disease, and one of your legs was all fucked up and weak, but you could still walk on it really well, and you favoured the other leg for serious stuff... you wouldn't fuck over your good leg just so it matched would you? No. You'd just hide it inside your trousers and get on with shit... same exact thing...
And of course, both bolts will use the same 17mm socket to tighten etc. The only weirdness is if you run pegs both sides, in which case you might prefer to have a 3/8" version on the drive side (though obviously a 14mm with an adaptor would work too)
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G.
I wish Odyssey would make flatware stuff again
I wish more people had bought it so we could...
:)
G.
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Well that's good news, I wouldnt mind trying out a free-coaster and limited female options in for them in Canada.
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where in the hell are those damned Dugan pedals??!!?
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where in the hell are those damned Dugan pedals??!!?
On my desk, my bikes and in boxes all over the place. Been having a few production issues to sort out with tooling etc but hopefully we are on the finishing straight now. Xmas is probably realistic but no promises.
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G.
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Decent amount of concave on the Dugan pedals? How long/wide are they compared to JCPC's?
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Damn! I would have figured the Dugan pedals would be out before the Clutch hub, but now the Clutch is out.
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Clutch hubs came into stock at work today, the lads who are into freecoasters were impressed!
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Clutch came in on my birthday? Has to be a sign!
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dear odyssey,
please make a hub guard out of recycled par ends.
yours,
eternity (radioactive half life, ad-infinitum, vibranium adamantium alloy, etc)
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Whatever happened to those polymer Antigram guards? Been rocking the aluminum ones for a while now without many complaints, but did get a gnarly metal splinter from rotating em and love how my Plegs slide compared to aluminum or steel. Odyssey site has been teasing me for years!
http://www.odysseybmx.com/catalog/hubs/antigram/
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dear odyssey,
please make a hub guard out of recycled par ends.
yours,
eternity (radioactive half life, ad-infinitum, vibranium adamantium alloy, etc)
GLANDS and Par Ends are made of the same blend of materials.
:)
G.
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Whatever happened to those polymer Antigram guards? Been rocking the aluminum ones for a while now without many complaints, but did get a gnarly metal splinter from rotating em and love how my Plegs slide compared to aluminum or steel. Odyssey site has been teasing me for years!
http://www.odysseybmx.com/catalog/hubs/antigram/
BSD has an Antigram specific jersey barrier guard. I got a BSD Jersey Barrier on my Ratchet and like it a lot, minimal resistance during grinds ;)
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dear odyssey,
please make a hub guard out of recycled par ends.
yours,
eternity (radioactive half life, ad-infinitum, vibranium adamantium alloy, etc)
GLANDS and Par Ends are made of the same blend of materials.
:)
G.
Are you guys getting complaints about the new GLANDS at all? Ive ground through a shoelace and broke a couple zipties already. The shoelace(rear) didnt even last a session. Ive also sold a couple to other people in my area, and theyre all having the same issues.
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Whatever happened to those polymer Antigram guards? Been rocking the aluminum ones for a while now without many complaints, but did get a gnarly metal splinter from rotating em and love how my Plegs slide compared to aluminum or steel. Odyssey site has been teasing me for years!
http://www.odysseybmx.com/catalog/hubs/antigram/
BSD has an Antigram specific jersey barrier guard. I got a BSD Jersey Barrier on my Ratchet and like it a lot, minimal resistance during grinds ;)
Thanks for the heads up! I'll definitely look into that!
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Whatever happened to those polymer Antigram guards? Been rocking the aluminum ones for a while now without many complaints, but did get a gnarly metal splinter from rotating em and love how my Plegs slide compared to aluminum or steel. Odyssey site has been teasing me for years!
http://www.odysseybmx.com/catalog/hubs/antigram/
BSD has an Antigram specific jersey barrier guard. I got a BSD Jersey Barrier on my Ratchet and like it a lot, minimal resistance during grinds ;)
Aye, but BSD doesn't make one for the Antigram front for whatever reason.
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dear odyssey,
please make a hub guard out of recycled par ends.
yours,
eternity (radioactive half life, ad-infinitum, vibranium adamantium alloy, etc)
GLANDS and Par Ends are made of the same blend of materials.
:)
G.
Are you guys getting complaints about the new GLANDS at all? Ive ground through a shoelace and broke a couple zipties already. The shoelace(rear) didnt even last a session. Ive also sold a couple to other people in my area, and theyre all having the same issues.
i was wondering if this might happen cos of the large amount of exposed ziptie
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Aye, but BSD doesn't make one for the Antigram front for whatever reason.
Yeah, noticed that too. Not the end of the world, but this IS BG so I feel like I'm in the proper place to piss and moan a bit ;D Would really like to get some nice low profile guards like the current 7075 Odyssey Antigram guards but in a matching plastic/polymer set. The chromo insert/lighter guard outer is a fantastic design IMO, just wish it was a matching set of buttery smooth plastic like the Odyssey site has been promising. Any chance of that G, or has Clutch mania taken over and killed any Antigram projects?
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if you got a spacer machined up for the antigram but with the same outer dimensions as the one on the clutch, you could use the plastic outer sleeve from the clutch guard. would be a bit of a pain in the arse to sort but would provide what your after. odyssey should get on that and make their own adaptor piece
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if you got a spacer machined up for the antigram but with the same outer dimensions as the one on the clutch, you could use the plastic outer sleeve from the clutch guard. would be a bit of a pain in the arse to sort but would provide what your after. odyssey should get on that and make their own adaptor piece
You can buy the Clutch non drive collar separately, they have the same spacing and the same ID as the Antigram collar. So you could get one and get the Clutch guard.
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You can buy the Clutch non drive collar separately, they have the same spacing and the same ID as the Antigram collar. So you could get one and get the Clutch guard.
If I'm understanding you correctly, that'd be great to be able to make an Antigram cassette compatible guard out of a Clutch non drive side collar and a replacement Clutch guard. Not sure where these are available for sale yet, or if I'm following correctly (if this is possible) but that'd answer my Odyssey rear guard desires.
Hopefully a matching polymer front Antigram guard isn't just a pipe dream.
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if you got a spacer machined up for the antigram but with the same outer dimensions as the one on the clutch, you could use the plastic outer sleeve from the clutch guard. would be a bit of a pain in the arse to sort but would provide what your after. odyssey should get on that and make their own adaptor piece
You can buy the Clutch non drive collar separately, they have the same spacing and the same ID as the Antigram collar. So you could get one and get the Clutch guard.
ahh cool, i was wondering if theyd be a similar size cos of the 14mm bolt on the non drive side of the clutch but without access to both hubs i didnt want to speculate. thats a good piece of info for people wanting a clutch who dont run pegs, cos the normal clutch spacer is kinda funky looking cos of the guard
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if you got a spacer machined up for the antigram but with the same outer dimensions as the one on the clutch, you could use the plastic outer sleeve from the clutch guard. would be a bit of a pain in the arse to sort but would provide what your after. odyssey should get on that and make their own adaptor piece
You can buy the Clutch non drive collar separately, they have the same spacing and the same ID as the Antigram collar. So you could get one and get the Clutch guard.
ahh cool, i was wondering if theyd be a similar size cos of the 14mm bolt on the non drive side of the clutch but without access to both hubs i didnt want to speculate. thats a good piece of info for people wanting a clutch who dont run pegs, cos the normal clutch spacer is kinda funky looking cos of the guard
While the Clutch collar fits on the Antigram hub, the Antigram collar doesn't fit on the Clutch hub. There is a deeper step on the Clutch collar to have clearance inside the non drive side cir-clip. The Antigram collar will foul against the cir-clip.
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ahh ok, g does love his circlips
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G, I saw a couple posts on Instagram about the Dugan Grandstand pedals, but nothing showing anything special about the bearing system, spindle, or the like. Dan's has them in their catalog as well and they mention something about an unsealed bearing, I was under the impression they didn't use any bearings, but bushings instead.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/-Q2h72TLDV/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/-Q2h72TLDV/)
looks a bit like a bushing, could also possibly be a race for unsealed bearings though
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Yeah that's the one. I'm a bit confused as well. Hopefully it's bearingless and solves of the minor wobble of the JCPCs that they might replace.
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i hope they dont replace the jcpcs cos those things are awesome. just gotta crank em down nice and hard if you dont want them to spin much
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G, I saw a couple posts on Instagram about the Dugan Grandstand pedals, but nothing showing anything special about the bearing system, spindle, or the like. Dan's has them in their catalog as well and they mention something about an unsealed bearing, I was under the impression they didn't use any bearings, but bushings instead.
Bushings/Plain Bearings. They are a teflon filled plastic. Couple of little design details help make the pedal easy to make so we can make it super affordable without having to use looseball which would make it either very thick or have a piss-weak axle. So far we've only really been showing the plastic ones, but we also have an aluminium version with steel pins which I am absolutely loving. Hopefully we will get the issues with tooling sorted out soon and actually start selling them!
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G.
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i hope they dont replace the jcpcs cos those things are awesome. just gotta crank em down nice and hard if you dont want them to spin much
I meant they might replace my JCPCs, not that the Dugan's might be replacing the JCPCs in Odyssey's pedal repertoire permanently. No matter how much I tighten my JCPCs they develop a wobble shortly after, no big deal just bothers me a bit knowing it's there, otherwise I love them.
G, I saw a couple posts on Instagram about the Dugan Grandstand pedals, but nothing showing anything special about the bearing system, spindle, or the like. Dan's has them in their catalog as well and they mention something about an unsealed bearing, I was under the impression they didn't use any bearings, but bushings instead.
Bushings/Plain Bearings. They are a teflon filled plastic. Couple of little design details help make the pedal easy to make so we can make it super affordable without having to use looseball which would make it either very thick or have a piss-weak axle. So far we've only really been showing the plastic ones, but we also have an aluminium version with steel pins which I am absolutely loving. Hopefully we will get the issues with tooling sorted out soon and actually start selling them!
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G.
I just hope the spindle is as strong as the JCPC spindle.
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Bushings/Plain Bearings. They are a teflon filled plastic. Couple of little design details help make the pedal easy to make so we can make it super affordable without having to use looseball which would make it either very thick or have a piss-weak axle. So far we've only really been showing the plastic ones, but we also have an aluminium version with steel pins which I am absolutely loving. Hopefully we will get the issues with tooling sorted out soon and actually start selling them!
Any idea of the metal versions will be out before Christmas and what the MSRP will be? I'm very interested in the metal version of these for some of my bikes.
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Any chance there will be an aluminum guard for the Clutch? The polymer one lasted about a week before it cracked and part of it stared bending in-towards the spokes. I had to cut pieces of it off to keep my wheel spinning.
I'm disappointed because it slides so well, but just doesn't hold up.
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Any chance there will be an aluminum guard for the Clutch? The polymer one lasted about a week before it cracked and part of it stared bending in-towards the spokes. I had to cut pieces of it off to keep my wheel spinning.
I'm disappointed because it slides so well, but just doesn't hold up.
In the other thread G was talking about first production run issues that sound similar to yours. Hit them up for warranty.
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Any chance there will be an aluminum guard for the Clutch? The polymer one lasted about a week before it cracked and part of it stared bending in-towards the spokes. I had to cut pieces of it off to keep my wheel spinning.
I'm disappointed because it slides so well, but just doesn't hold up.
In the other thread G was talking about first production run issues that sound similar to yours. Hit them up for warranty.
Nice! Thanks for the heads up.