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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: Boomhauer on February 23, 2015, 09:22:55 AM
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I mean, she had a pretty good run but where the fuck do you turn when you're looking for something that will last even longer?
For the record it's cracked under the top tube at the headtube, bottom of downtube gusset and headtube and at the opposite end of the gusset as well..
It's lasted over a week of moderate abuse since I noticed em but I can notice the flex and that's no bueno.
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Turn to not starting pointless threads and go buy a new frame. What's really no bueno is riding a cracked frame for any amount of time, be safe and may your headtube be with you.
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Turn to not starting pointless threads and go buy a new frame. What's really no bueno is riding a cracked frame for any amount of time, be safe and may your headtube be with you.
It's not pointless if somebody suggests something that fits the bill.
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Another sunday...
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Another sunday...
I'd have to see how Sundays warranty dept. feel about that..
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Someone local cracked his soundwave and got another one. Come to think of it quite a few people around me have cracked sunday frames.
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Someone local cracked his soundwave and got another one. Come to think of it quite a few people around me have cracked sunday frames.
My roommate just cracked his Sunday Ian on the TT/DT at the headtuve as well :/
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Send your frame back for warranty. Get new Sunday.
or
Joe Rich is taking orders for the 2015 Barcodes.
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I would go lairdframe with a custom Laz brace for extra.strength
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Am I wrong or didnt Standard mention releasing another STA? Based on the name I would say that it would be a good pick
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fbm angel of death , belive fbm still have a couple for sale
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Am I wrong or didnt Standard mention releasing another STA? Based on the name I would say that it would be a good pick
This ^ You really can't go wrong with an sta.
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My new STA should be rolling (fakie) soon. Got my hubs situated, just need to pull some triggers.
Have you not called the warranty department? Even if they don't fully replace it I bet they offer you some sort of crash replacement deal on a new frame.
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The New STA's look dope as f*ck.
A buddy I used to ride with in Orlando named Dave Mahoney got picked up to ride in the circus and just posted his new STA on facebook. It needs to be posted in the bike porn thread as it's one of the best looking bmx bikes I've ever seen.
Edit: I couldn't help myself. I had to go find the picture off facebook
(http://s13.postimg.org/60ge9pm2v/Dave_M_Bike.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Additional Edit:
Laz, you turd... upload some pictures of this beat to shit bike. You know we all want to see it now.
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Sorry to hear its breaking. The warranty is there for you. Is there anything that would explain the cracks? Significant dents near the middle of tubes is one possible explanation...
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G.
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I'm really interested to see the pics of the cracked Soundwave!!!!!
I've been on my 21.25 Soundwave for the last three years and have found out Sunday have stopped making them in that size due to low demand.
Might be shit out of luck if a warranty replacement is needed for a frame in the same size.......
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guys your forgetting how gnarly and gnarcore laz is, he will grind your nipples and 720 over the sun
get an sta i reckon, but worth speaking to sundays warrenty dept in the meantime (although my latest experience with odysseys warrenty dept has been a struggle, im not sure whats changed)
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Did you run over it with a truck ? Jk, what kind of riding did you do for it to crack in so many places ? Hit up Sunday warranty ?
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I would go lairdframe with a custom Laz brace for extra.strength
Huehuehue
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The New STA's look dope as f*ck.
A buddy I used to ride with in Orlando named Dave Mahoney got picked up to ride in the circus and just posted his new STA on facebook. It needs to be posted in the bike porn thread as it's one of the best looking bmx bikes I've ever seen.
Edit: I couldn't help myself. I had to go find the picture off facebook
(http://s13.postimg.org/60ge9pm2v/Dave_M_Bike.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Laz, you turd... upload some pictures of this beat to shit bike. You know we all want to see it now.
It's not even beat to shit, it's got a couple dings in the chainstay and one tiny one on the downtube, most of the factory paint is still intact and the cracks would be hell to get a picture of since they're pretty thin..
I'll see what I can do tomorrow I guess..
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Get your pre order in for a new Barcode sir.
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Sorry to hear its breaking. The warranty is there for you. Is there anything that would explain the cracks? Significant dents near the middle of tubes is one possible explanation...
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G.
Nope, it's got one tiny ding on the side of the downtube and on the first rib near the bottom bracket (it's one dent where the rib stopped it) and it's super small.
I'll contact Sunday but I've heard from at least 3 people recently that they have been tough to deal with for warranties.. maybe they're just unlucky?
The cracks kinda came out of left field, I've mostly been doing bullshit tech stuff.
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grind my nipples, laz!
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grind my nipples, laz!
Regular or opposite?
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Get another Sunday. Fucked or not you've been on this one for a while.
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It's all those 52 inch hops. If you did 51 inch hops you'd be right
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I've been on my 21.25 Soundwave for the last three years and have found out Sunday have stopped making them in that size due to low demand.
Might be shit out of luck if a warranty replacement is needed for a frame in the same size.......
Might be shit out of luck on a warranty? Fuck you mean warranty, after 3 years? That shit has had it's time.... pay full price and support BMX rather than assume a frame breaking after 3 years warrants some kind of sympathetic replacement.
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warranty frame > spending 300+ for a new one.
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I don't know why people take such a moral stand against lifetime warranties. If companies wanted you to buy a new frame every 3 years then they would limit the warranty to three years.
Contact Full Factory. Get a new frame.
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I don't know why people take such a moral stand against lifetime warranties. If companies wanted you to buy a new frame every 3 years then they would limit the warranty to three years.
Contact Full Factory. Get a new frame.
greenbox
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I don't know why people take such a moral stand against lifetime warranties. If companies wanted you to buy a new frame every 3 years then they would limit the warranty to three years.
Contact Full Factory. Get a new frame.
I've said it before.... by far the worst sales gimmick to ever happen to BMX. Don't you see any value in reinvesting into the company? Frames are one of the hardest things for shops to sell, why not present the opportunity instead of just taking money away from the manufacture? I can understand if it's a year or something but 3 years?
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Sometimes people dont have 400 to throw at a new frame. And would make sense to just take advantage ofbthe warranty offered. Plus i dont think all sundays have that warranty anymore.
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I don't know why people take such a moral stand against lifetime warranties. If companies wanted you to buy a new frame every 3 years then they would limit the warranty to three years.
Contact Full Factory. Get a new frame.
I've said it before.... by far the worst sales gimmick to ever happen to BMX. Don't you see any value in reinvesting into the company? Frames are one of the hardest things for shops to sell, why not present the opportunity instead of just taking money away from the manufacture? I can understand if it's a year or something but 3 years?
Let's look at it this way: I subscribe to Netflix for Unlimited movies for $8/month or whatever it is. Should I feel an obligation to purchase a second Netflix subscription once I watch 500 movies? Absolutely not. Part of the reason that I subscribe is because of the unlimited nature of it, that is a desirable feature to me.
I will never feel guilty about holding a company to its word. If part of the reason that I purchased a frame was because of a lifetime warranty, I have no qualms about making good on that warranty if necessary.
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I've been on my 21.25 Soundwave for the last three years and have found out Sunday have stopped making them in that size due to low demand.
Might be shit out of luck if a warranty replacement is needed for a frame in the same size.......
Might be shit out of luck on a warranty? Fuck you mean warranty, after 3 years? That shit has had it's time.... pay full price and support BMX rather than assume a frame breaking after 3 years warrants some kind of sympathetic replacement.
For the record, I asked for alternative frames to look into, and George French is one of the people advising me to talk to the warranty dept.. so I'm not sure what the point of your argument is?
My roommate took off early today so I'll try to get pictures up when I can but they're pretty hard to see with the Ice Green paint job.
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laylow just loves to cry about warranties. i guess he works in a shop that doesnt make much money or something so he blames odyssey/sundays warranty for that. seems reasonable
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laylow just loves to cry about warranties. i guess he works in a shop that doesnt make much money or something so he blames odyssey/sundays warranty for that. seems reasonable
Oh, that's installation error.
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the issue with warranty is that people assume any and all broken parts will be covered than act like smacked children when they aren't. warranty should be manufacturers defects for a reasonable time period to the original owner with proof of purchase, as it is in all other industries. bmx warranty culture is bad.
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like 95% of riders i know whove broken a bike part will just throw it away and buy a new one. noone can be fucked chasing up warranties besides occasionally on dirt forks, or if its something that broke after a couple of months
maybe its a problem in your local scene/bike shop, but never anywhere that ive lived
although thinking about this, its more likely to be parents of young kids who broke part X by being a dickhead threading something out trying to make adjustments or equivalent, and then dont want to take responsibility but want it replacing
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I've been on my 21.25 Soundwave for the last three years and have found out Sunday have stopped making them in that size due to low demand.
Might be shit out of luck if a warranty replacement is needed for a frame in the same size.......
Might be shit out of luck on a warranty? Fuck you mean warranty, after 3 years? That shit has had it's time.... pay full price and support BMX rather than assume a frame breaking after 3 years warrants some kind of sympathetic replacement.
For the record, I asked for alternative frames to look into, and George French is one of the people advising me to talk to the warranty dept.. so I'm not sure what the point of your argument is?
My roommate took off early today so I'll try to get pictures up when I can but they're pretty hard to see with the Ice Green paint job.
Laz, what my small contribution meant was Sunday has stopped making 21.25 frames. If I needed a frame replaced by warranty then there is a high probability that the replacement frame will not be the same 21.25 size I'm currently running. Hence, I'd be shit out of luck.
And naturally Laylow has steered the thread in a totally different direction again by pushing his opinion from his perceived moral high ground that Odyssey and Sunday cripple bike shops due to their lifetime warranties which limits sales. He banged on his collection of pots and pans in the steerer tube/compression bolt size thread exactly from the same distorted stand point.
Irrelevant is how I feel about his input and contribution.....
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I've been on my 21.25 Soundwave for the last three years and have found out Sunday have stopped making them in that size due to low demand.
Might be shit out of luck if a warranty replacement is needed for a frame in the same size.......
Might be shit out of luck on a warranty? Fuck you mean warranty, after 3 years? That shit has had it's time.... pay full price and support BMX rather than assume a frame breaking after 3 years warrants some kind of sympathetic replacement.
For the record, I asked for alternative frames to look into, and George French is one of the people advising me to talk to the warranty dept.. so I'm not sure what the point of your argument is?
My roommate took off early today so I'll try to get pictures up when I can but they're pretty hard to see with the Ice Green paint job.
Laz, what my small contribution meant was Sunday has stopped making 21.25 frames. If I needed a frame replaced by warranty then there is a high probability that the replacement frame will not be the same 21.25 size I'm currently running. Hence, I'd be shit out of luck.
And naturally Laylow has steered the thread in a totally different direction again by pushing his opinion from his perceived moral high ground that Odyssey and Sunday cripple bike shops due to their lifetime warranties which limits sales. He banged on his collection of pots and pans in the steerer tube/compression bolt size thread exactly from the same distorted stand point.
Irrelevant is how I feel about his input and contribution.....
Don't worry, i caught what you were saying, I just wondered why LayLow was trying to stand tall.
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I just ordered a soundwave and the guys at full factory told me they rarely get warranty calls on them.
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I just ordered a soundwave and the guys at full factory told me they rarely get warranty calls on them.
Really though, what did you expect? "Yeah, you fuckin shitbags break these things all the time...".
Of course theyre going to tell you they're awesome. They're trying to sell it to you.
*this is not meant to be a dig at FF or Sunday. Nor am I implying they are lying to you. Soundwaves are great. Unless you're Laz apparently.
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3Yrs under laz abuse is pretty good dont you think?
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I just ordered a soundwave and the guys at full factory told me they rarely get warranty calls on them.
Really though, what did you expect? "Yeah, you fuckin shitbags break these things all the time...".
Of course theyre going to tell you they're awesome. They're trying to sell it to you.
*this is not meant to be a dig at FF or Sunday. Nor am I implying they are lying to you. Soundwaves are great. Unless you're Laz apparently.
I know they're in the business to make money but in all the dealings the shop I work at has had with them they have always been helpful.
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So the guy that started this thread had the frame for three years before it broke? Douche bag.
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So the guy that started this thread had the frame for three years before it broke? Douche bag.
How is he a douche? He didn't start the thread talking about using the warranty, only to ask if anyone could suggest another equally strong, or stronger frame that he could look into purchasing. At that point George said to hit up the warranty department either way so they could check the frame out.
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lol @ the champions of da industry. good to know we got boys like you keepin an eye on things.
likin facebook groups and shit hahaa fightin starvation and the war at home
fuck yo couch
wARRANTY yo couch
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I don't mind paying for the crash replacement cost of a part if I use the warranty
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lol @ the champions of da industry. good to know we got boys like you keepin an eye on things.
likin facebook groups and shit hahaa fightin starvation and the war at home
fuck yo couch
wARRANTY yo couch
If couches had warranties, I'd have the best rawdog and return system ever.
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So the guy that started this thread had the frame for three years before it broke? Douche bag.
Since about September or October of 2012..?
You saw right through me though, Douchebag at your service :)
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this thread is dumb, laz email some pics to fullfactory and let us know what they say
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this thread is dumb, laz email some pics to fullfactory and let us know what they say
I just bought a temporary frame and once that's here I'll worry about it..
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Can we put this whole warranty thing away now please?
We offer a warranty because we think it helps reassure riders that the part is going to hold up and we stand behind it. If we are asking someone to spend top dollar on a frame or fork or bar or crank, then it seems reasonable to me that we have a way to say "hey, we want you to buy this and feel confident in it, so rather than just take our word for it, here's some solid reassurance."
We don't get a huge amount of warranty because for 99% of riders our parts will hold up 99% of the time.
Some other manufacturers have no fucking idea what they are doing in terms of engineering, so when they try to do a warranty like ours they get swamped and have to start adding caveats and restrictions that go way beyond the spirit of the warranty. And they also bitch and moan (including to us) that we shouldn't offer our warranty, and that its "ridiculous"... It isnt ridiculous, what's ridiculous is that companies will release critical parts with terrible flawed designs and not give a shit when riders hurt themselves when they snap.
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G.
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For the record, asking if "all hope is lost" after having used a frame for over two years is extremely douchey, yes, particularly when a lot of other frames would've broken in half that time. I think two years is reasonable for a frame if you're prone to breaking them but nobody knew how long the guy rode the frame ("she had a pretty good run") until someone mentioned it, as if he wanted to say "look at me, I broke a Soundwave!"
Maybe if you actually wanted advice on another frame then you would've worded the thread title a little less like a The Come Up (http://www.lemonparty.org) video, otherwise, why not take advantage of the warranty if this has been your longest lasting frame?
Email exists, grow up.
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...wat...?
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Judging by the quality of your posts, you'd be the last person on here I'd expect to understand me. ^
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For the record, asking if "all hope is lost" after having used a frame for over two years is extremely douchey, yes, particularly when a lot of other frames would've broken in half that time. I think two years is reasonable for a frame if you're prone to breaking them but nobody knew how long the guy rode the frame ("she had a pretty good run") until someone mentioned it, as if he wanted to say "look at me, I broke a Soundwave!"
Maybe if you actually wanted advice on another frame then you would've worded the thread title a little less like a The Come Up (http://www.lemonparty.org) video, otherwise, why not take advantage of the warranty if this has been your longest lasting frame?
Email exists, grow up.
Haha, the reply button shows how awesome that link really is.
The title came about because the song "All hope is gone" was playing in the background when I made the thread.
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When you 3 whip flip eltoro on the reg your frame might go bukake.
Odyssey/Sunday/Gspot have always been true to their word. Honour the warranty. It's there for a reason.
This isn't one of those other brands where if you've actually used it they shit their pants and charge you for a new one. It's meant for BMX. It shouldn't break under regular BMX usage.
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if you dont wanna warranty it or buy a new frame laz get it welded up. sounds like you caught the cracks before they became mission critical, so it should be salvagable
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Can we put this whole warranty thing away now please?
We offer a warranty because we think it helps reassure riders that the part is going to hold up and we stand behind it. If we are asking someone to spend top dollar on a frame or fork or bar or crank, then it seems reasonable to me that we have a way to say "hey, we want you to buy this and feel confident in it, so rather than just take our word for it, here's some solid reassurance."
We don't get a huge amount of warranty because for 99% of riders our parts will hold up 99% of the time.
Some other manufacturers have no fucking idea what they are doing in terms of engineering, so when they try to do a warranty like ours they get swamped and have to start adding caveats and restrictions that go way beyond the spirit of the warranty. And they also bitch and moan (including to us) that we shouldn't offer our warranty, and that its "ridiculous"... It isnt ridiculous, what's ridiculous is that companies will release critical parts with terrible flawed designs and not give a shit when riders hurt themselves when they snap.
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G.
Agreed 100%
Example, Fly using braze for brake mounts, ended in snapping off the mount housings.
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if you dont wanna warranty it or buy a new frame laz get it welded up. sounds like you caught the cracks before they became mission critical, so it should be salvagable
I just bought a BTM and some Indent cranks from Trap Miguel so I'll have a decent spare/temporary frame and then I'll see what Sunday says about it, if they're not into it then I'll just save up and go custom I think.
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Judging by the quality of your posts, you'd be the last person on here I'd expect to understand me. ^
maybe change that user name to SelfRightousBMX
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^^^ ZING
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Judging by the quality of your posts, you'd be the last person on here I'd expect to understand me. ^
maybe change that user name to SelfRightousBMX
Box of green
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Holy fuck what a shit show. Odyssey Sunday stand behind their product 100%. It's a lifetime warranty, are you really going to spend 350 on a frame when you can replace your frame through their warranty process.
That's a lot of beer.
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Indeed, Lazarus all hope has departed from your situation.
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Holy fuck what a shit show. Odyssey Sunday stand behind their product 100%. It's a lifetime warranty, are you really going to spend 350 on a frame when you can replace your frame through their warranty process.
That's a lot of beer.
Don't go reminding me how much beer that could add up to now, thats like hitting below the belt..
as far as warranties go, I'm on a flow team and can't bring myself to ask for parts.. I don't know about you guys but it makes me feel more broke and stupid than I already am..
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Holy fuck what a shit show. Odyssey Sunday stand behind their product 100%. It's a lifetime warranty, are you really going to spend 350 on a frame when you can replace your frame through their warranty process.
That's a lot of beer.
Don't go reminding me how much beer that could add up to now, thats like hitting below the belt..
as far as warranties go, I'm on a flow team and can't bring myself to ask for parts.. I don't know about you guys but it makes me feel more broke and stupid than I already am..
Why would you not ask for parts being on a flow team? That's the whole fuken point! Or at least offer to pay cost price
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you dropped something. whos flowin u bro?
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Holy fuck what a shit show. Odyssey Sunday stand behind their product 100%. It's a lifetime warranty, are you really going to spend 350 on a frame when you can replace your frame through their warranty process.
That's a lot of beer.
Don't go reminding me how much beer that could add up to now, thats like hitting below the belt..
as far as warranties go, I'm on a flow team and can't bring myself to ask for parts.. I don't know about you guys but it makes me feel more broke and stupid than I already am..
Why would you not ask for parts being on a flow team? That's the whole fuken point! Or at least offer to pay cost price
I never get to travel or visit them or even film so I'm not really earning shit.
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Judging by the quality of your posts, you'd be the last person on here I'd expect to understand me. ^
maybe change that user name to SelfRightousBMX
The most important post in this thread.
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Don't worry bros, it's ok, I'm on a flow team.
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Don't worry bros, it's ok, I'm on a flow team.
Fuck off, it's not like I'm craming this shit down your throat, if you don't like the shit I say then get the fuck out of my thread and don't look back.
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On flow now, guys. Got my bars pretty dialed, switch 3z, couple slopposite dub pegz 2 hard colorway 270 to sliders, don't get much product though. 'fraid to ask, don't wanna seem weird er nothin.
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You forgot the fifty two inch hawps
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Judging by the quality of your posts, you'd be the last person on here I'd expect to understand me. ^
maybe change that user name to SelfRightousBMX
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