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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: blueee on December 17, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
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hey, so i got a birdcage to antigram and am using 182mm spokes 3 cross (is this right?)
Well im concerned cause im using aluminum nipples and while building the wheel it is already tightening up and the spokes are very low on the threading. it appears that by the time i actually tighten things up, theres gonna be no spoke sitting up near the top of the nipples where they pull on the rim... and since aluminum nipples are weak (so i hear) do you think this will be a problem?
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Cassette hub? If so that's the right size. Aluminium nipples are fine. Just go a bit steadier with them as they round off a bit easier.
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neato
used lithium grease as opposed to antisieze, not a bigge, yee?
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It'll be fine.
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they just looked at me, what do i do?
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step one: buy g-sport nipples
step b: install aforementioned nipples
step 4: rejoice!
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step one: buy g-sport nipples
step b: install aforementioned nipples
step 4: rejoice!
Quoted for posterity.
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G sport nipple you torque more on the shitty ones than the g sport nips
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G sport nipple you torque more on the shitty ones than the g sport nips
What
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G sport nipple you torque more on the shitty ones than the g sport nips
What
It has to do with rotational weight. Now go fuck off.
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Step 1: Collect Underpants
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit
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Just say no.
I did aluminum nipples once. It's just not worth it. I'm fully convinced that no combination of care, tooling and antisieze will prevent you from rounding them off if you care that your wheel is semi-true and are the least bit un-smooth. It was worse than being married to a ginger. Either one could ruin your day at a moments notice.
The g-sport nipples are most likely tons better, but you're still going to end up galling a few of them eventually to save like two ounces while you're possibly running 27 ounce tires.
If you're already on Kevlar bead tires, some stupid light rims, .8mm thick tubes and titanium spokes, cool. have fun. Otherwise there are less painful ways to save rotational weight.
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In all honesty I've had less issues with rounding/breaking using g-sport nipples than any other type of nipple, brass included.
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Step 1: Collect Underpants
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit
Hahaha, santa's factory.
Back to the spokes and nipples. i had some alloy nipples in the past but they seem to crack even if the spokes were the right lenght. Because they had thin walls. I guess gsport can avoid that cracking problem as they are hexagonal shape that make them have thicker walls than standard square shape.
I guess the spoke not reaching the top of nipple wont be a problem if they only need 2 or 3 millimeters to reach the top.
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For the official record
G-Sport nipples are one of the greatest inventions in bmx.
I have never rounded one off or broken one. I've got them on probably 5-6 different wheels now, and they are all awesome.
I've probably rounded off or broken over a hundred brass nipples in my life.
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I'll probably buy a set, as they are light but i'm worried about the availability of their tool in case i loose the included one.
I have no problem giving my money for a light nice invention.
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Bunky is right. I find myself pissed when I am building wheels using regular brass or alloy nipples. The G-Sport nipples are too good.
If you CBA to buy these nipples because you are afraid you will lose the tool, my suggestion is to stop being a tool and keep track of your shit. Just a thought....
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Just say no.
I did aluminum nipples once. It's just not worth it. I'm fully convinced that no combination of care, tooling and antisieze will prevent you from rounding them off if you care that your wheel is semi-true and are the least bit un-smooth. It was worse than being married to a ginger. Either one could ruin your day at a moments notice.
The g-sport nipples are most likely tons better, but you're still going to end up galling a few of them eventually to save like two ounces while you're possibly running 27 ounce tires.
If you're already on Kevlar bead tires, some stupid light rims, .8mm thick tubes and titanium spokes, cool. have fun. Otherwise there are less painful ways to save rotational weight.
Read this after my last post above..... You are wrong in the assumption that the G-Sport nipples are the same as regular alloy nipples. Very wrong, in fact. For me, it isn't about them being lighter weight than brass nipples. It is their ability to lace up the wheel with the most tension in the spokes humanly possible. In the words of Adam22........walk with me.......
So one time I wanted to lace up the tightest god damn spoke tension allowed by the force of Joe Rich's dread locks. I used G-Sport nipples with the copper anti seize that comes with Odyssey cranks. I laced the wheel up as tight as I could with my fingers/provided spoke tool. THEN, thanks to the 6mm hex head on the nipples, I used my handy dandy hand held impact drill to finish the job. AHHHH, I can still hear that lovely sound of "TINK TINK TINK TINK" of the impact gun. The wheels were seriously the best wheels I ever built. You couldn't even get one spoke to flex. This was 100% due to using the G-Sport nipples. No other nipple, be it brass or alloy, would have been able to stand up to that.
Spoke tension, bro. Get you some.
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Just say no.
I did aluminum nipples once. It's just not worth it. I'm fully convinced that no combination of care, tooling and antisieze will prevent you from rounding them off if you care that your wheel is semi-true and are the least bit un-smooth. It was worse than being married to a ginger. Either one could ruin your day at a moments notice.
The g-sport nipples are most likely tons better, but you're still going to end up galling a few of them eventually to save like two ounces while you're possibly running 27 ounce tires.
If you're already on Kevlar bead tires, some stupid light rims, .8mm thick tubes and titanium spokes, cool. have fun. Otherwise there are less painful ways to save rotational weight.
Read this after my last post above..... You are wrong in the assumption that the G-Sport nipples are the same as regular alloy nipples. Very wrong, in fact. For me, it isn't about them being lighter weight than brass nipples. It is their ability to lace up the wheel with the most tension in the spokes humanly possible. In the words of Adam22........walk with me.......
So one time I wanted to lace up the tightest god damn spoke tension allowed by the force of Joe Rich's dread locks. I used G-Sport nipples with the copper anti seize that comes with Odyssey cranks. I laced the wheel up as tight as I could with my fingers/provided spoke tool. THEN, thanks to the 6mm hex head on the nipples, I used my handy dandy hand held impact drill to finish the job. AHHHH, I can still hear that lovely sound of "TINK TINK TINK TINK" of the impact gun. The wheels were seriously the best wheels I ever built. You couldn't even get one spoke to flex. This was 100% due to using the G-Sport nipples. No other nipple, be it brass or alloy, would have been able to stand up to that.
Spoke tension, bro. Get you some.
I run my shit pretty tight. Empire built my current wheels (I've heard Tom builds pretty tight wheels) then after riding them for about a week I put about another turn and a half into them. I do generally like to make sure they can deflect at least a little though because I'm concerned about deforming the hub shell, or even pulling the flange off completely (I think I've seen a picture of that on here).
I've never used Gsport nipples, so I'm not really trying to say anything good or bad about them. I haven't had too much of an issue with brass nipples, but the one thing they have that both normal alloy and g-sport nipples don't, is that when I do round one off or (in the case of alloys) seize one to a spoke, I can just run around the corner to my shitty LBS and get a new one.
My primary problem with alloy nipples (Gsport or not) is galling. Yes, disciplined use of appropriate thread lubricants can almost completely eliminate that issue; however, it almost never fails that if I'm truing a wheel and round a nipple, when I replace it I forget to lubricate it, then next time I go to true the wheel that nipple is seized. Brass is self lubricating and minimizes that failure mode.
Maybe the G-sport nipples being 7075 minimizes that issue (I'm almost certain 7075 is harder), but it comes back to possibly being more risky then it's worth. Back to my ginger analogy: yes, they are wild as fuck in bed; yes you look like a bad motherfucker being seen with them, but their natural tendency to go thermonuclear and fuck your whole week up makes the cost benefit difficult to justify.
Let me just quantify my whole position really quick; I like straight wheels. I toss my wheels into a stand every time they come off the bike. If you only fuck with your wheels when they get bad enough to become a problem, your mileage may vary.
I am starting to think that I want to try Gsport nipples now though.
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Why is rotating weight an issue on a BMX wheel? lolz. You are not climbing l'Alp d'huez on it, time trialling, or riding it like a road bike in any way whatsoever.
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Why is rotating weight an issue on a BMX wheel? lolz. You are not climbing l'Alp d'huez on it, time trialling, or riding it like a road bike in any way whatsoever.
No, but you're trying to go fast and change direction with two huge gyroscopes attached.
I mean yeah, if you're of the bars to feeble to ice pick to whip to manual on an 18 inch ledge type, or if you're really really good and could braaap the fuck out on a Schwinn beach cruiser, it most likely doesn't matter.
I like to go fast, but suck and need all the help I can get. My bike feels noticeably more difficult to ride going from 24oz tires (Hawk P-lytes) to 28 oz tires (Aitken non P-lytes).
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Define 'fast'. I don't feel the difference on my road wheels when I switch from a 1400g pair to a 950g pair, until I get above about 35kmph.
Bunny hopping, and any trick that derives from that must be easier with a lighter bike, but rotating weight on a slow moving, small wheeled bike... I don't buy it.
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my bike feels so god damn light and nimble right now, i fucking love it. im running a god damn 8oz plastic seat thingybob just cuase it feels so damn nice.
but yeah, ive spent a lot of time truing wheels and have gotten pretty good at not rounding off the brass ones, even on shit old wheels. i accidentally rounded off a tad bit of a nipon my rear wheel during the build, marked it off, and have been good since. hopefully ill be alright
anyone know what happened to newjerseyken? i was supposed to buy a grim reaper off him but when i asked him about being on the untrustworthy seller list, he then stopped contacting me
someone sell me a grim reaper, plz
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I am really happy that people like my nipples. They were a huge ballache to develop and have never taken off as much as I would have liked, but I am very pleased with how they work and I am glad other people are too...
:)
G.
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I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
Feel like a 7 year old laughing about that.
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Define 'fast'. I don't feel the difference on my road wheels when I switch from a 1400g pair to a 950g pair, until I get above about 35kmph.
Bunny hopping, and any trick that derives from that must be easier with a lighter bike, but rotating weight on a slow moving, small wheeled bike... I don't buy it.
Go tabletop your road bike.
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I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
Feel like a 7 year old laughing about that.
For posterity
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
I am really happy that people like my nipples.
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where can they be bought in europe / uk?
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And I will also agree that light road bike wheels make a difference. BMX, not so much. Getting ultimate acceleration isn't an issue when you're just dropping into a bowl.
I don't think I'm being clear with my issues with tire/wheel weight. I completely agree that just dropping in, or cranking down the street, I don't notice it.
If I'm riding slow, and like tapletop off a few stairs or somethingz I don't notice it.
When I'm hauling ass, and the wheels get a lot of angular momentum, motowhips, tabletops and any sort of rotation( that's about the limit of my skill set) feel really really sluggish with the heavier tires.
If I didn't suck, I might not notice. If I didn't know shit about gyroscopes or angular momentum, I would write it off to being too high or sleepy or something. However, it does drive me batshit. Not batshit enough to fight alloy nipples again, but enought to not run those tires.
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G sport nipple you torque more on the shitty ones than the g sport nips
What
It has to do with rotational weight. Now go fuck off.
What are you even on about the g sport nipples are easier to tighten than the shitty ones you normally use, which I clearly stated many days ago.
Suck today's dick though right
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^^^ My comment was merely for satire. Torque and rotational weight aren't really things that have dick to do with one another.
But, since everybody got their panties in a bunch about rotational weight, I will say that I can 100% feel a difference on my bikes. Even switching tires from a 2.1 to a 2.35 is something that is pretty easy to feel the difference on. Hell- my wife isn't even an avid BMX rider, but she could tell the difference of rotational weight on her light weight wheel set I built for her. I sort of tried to build her bike up as light as I could since she doesn't have the upper body strength of most BMXers. She ended up riding my bike one day that had heavier wheels and enjoyed it a lot more. She said that she liked the way the heavier wheels were less squirrelly and that the heavier rotational weight was easier to control. Makes sense.
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Gsport nips not being able to round off is the best thing that's happened to wheelbuilding since Empire Tom
oh hell yeah!
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If you CBA to buy these nipples because you are afraid you will lose the tool, my suggestion is to stop being a tool and keep track of your shit. Just a thought....
Are you trying to look smart or funny using that "tool" word in different meanings? because it's not, it's actually pathetic if you ask me. Here's something funny!
as tight as I could with my fingers
If standard nipples had a tool that surround them and had comfortable grab, they also can be tighten that much. The tool is the key, not the nipples.
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all this talk about a product that is not available anywhere in europe/ uk?
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(http://ianlueck.blog.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/00/06/90/04/6900497/files/titlecards/rubbernipple.jpg)
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all this talk about a product that is not available anywhere in europe/ uk?
http://www.parano-garage.de/item.php?ItemID=11468&SubCatID=168&sort_var=a
http://www.alliance-bmx.de/product_info.php?cPath=74_89&products_id=654&osCsid=e16c7cab87347ab070d3feea6660f4da
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If you CBA to buy these nipples because you are afraid you will lose the tool, my suggestion is to stop being a tool and keep track of your shit. Just a thought....
Are you trying to look smart or funny using that "tool" word in different meanings? because it's not, it's actually pathetic if you ask me. Here's something funny!
as tight as I could with my fingers
If standard nipples had a tool that surround them and had comfortable grab, they also can be tighten that much. The tool is the key, not the nipples.
First - What the fuck are you even going on about?
Second - I scrolled through this thread twice just to double check. And I'll be damned, I never did ask you.
Third (I know it's getting hard for you to count this high, my apologies) - You took a fraction of what I was saying in your last quote to some how prove a point that I wasn't even talking about. I was talking about the hex head on the top of the nipple and how it is also advantageous for supreme wheel building.
If we are going off of the "the tool is the key, not the nipples" logic then the G-Sport tool once again proves these nipples are a superior system. Because of the fact the nipple tapers, the tool fits very snug. Also, I'm no math wiz here.... but I'm pretty sure that 6 sides touching each other would provide a better surface area for tightening the nipple than 4. Thusforth and so ons and what have you..... G-Sport Tapered Hex Nipples (and the tool) > whatever the fuck you are trying to say. Unless you would like to further explain yourself......
Also, after further consideration, you are a tool that I wish got lost.
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First - What the fuck are you even going on about?
-wanna know? go search what you typed
Second - I scrolled through this thread twice just to double check. And I'll be damned, I never did ask you.
-but you asked for it. proove me wrong if you can.
Third (I know it's getting hard for you to count this high, my apologies)
-you read and answered, so you understood what i meant. and if you think that you need to appologize then you'r wrong! because it doesn't bother me speaking your language well.
- You took a fraction of what I was saying in your last quote to some how prove a point that I wasn't even talking about.
-that's the beauty of it.
I was talking about the hex head on the top of the nipple and how it is also advantageous for supreme wheel building.
If we are going off of the "the tool is the key, not the nipples" logic then the G-Sport tool once again proves these nipples are a superior system.
-superior system compared to standard nipples? I never said the opposite.
Because of the fact the nipple tapers, the tool fits very snug. Also, I'm no math wiz here.... but I'm pretty sure that 6 sides touching each other would provide a better surface area for tightening the nipple than 4. Thusforth and so ons and what have you.....
-no, it's wrong. 6 faces are likely to rounding than 4 faces, think about the angles of the edges. But this doesn't mean hexagonal nipples are weak for their job.
G-Sport Tapered Hex Nipples (and the tool) > whatever the fuck you are trying to say.
-so now you wanna hide behind those nipples?
you'r being a tool here Unless you would like to further explain yourself......
-What? you think you gonna try to offend people then ask them to explain themselves? are you brain damaged? did you crash your head lately? YOU explain your first offense!
Also, after further consideration, you are a tool that I wish got lost.
-same lame pathetic words.
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You mad bro? Let it all out. We are here for you.
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This thread has reached '16 and pregnant' levels of stupidity