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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: streetStreet on November 12, 2014, 03:27:14 PM

Title: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: streetStreet on November 12, 2014, 03:27:14 PM
So the hub is out now and there isn't wen a thread about it.

Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Bunky on November 12, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Is it actually for sale anywhere?
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: badlight on November 12, 2014, 03:49:55 PM
You can get it if you buy the WTP Envy. Same with the Aeon cranks.
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Post by: Stoked on November 12, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Where is it for sale
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Post by: bluebmx on November 12, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
left or right, free coaster or cassette. Sounds pretty great.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Prodigal Son on November 13, 2014, 12:56:50 AM
Man, it's obviously just me, but that dude is not a pleasure to watch. Hes got some cool stuff and that promo should show the ability to go backwards, it just seemed rushed and unpolished.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: jurcha on November 13, 2014, 03:08:04 AM
Man, it's obviously just me, but that dude is not a pleasure to watch. Hes got some cool stuff and that promo should show the ability to go backwards, it just seemed rushed and unpolished.

+1
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Sasha on November 13, 2014, 04:10:38 AM
No pictures, links or info. Great thread.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: tim_sch on November 13, 2014, 07:12:31 AM
Man, it's obviously just me, but that dude is not a pleasure to watch. Hes got some cool stuff and that promo should show the ability to go backwards, it just seemed rushed and unpolished.

true
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: master on November 13, 2014, 11:50:09 AM
Where is it for sale

This.

I don't think a single entity outside of Eclat has one yet.

Even then, I still have a solid "meh" opinion of it.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Rusty on November 14, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
Pretty sure all the Eclat stuff is landing in the US later this month.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Allah on November 15, 2014, 10:43:13 AM
Freecoaster riding peaked with Ian Sportz and Bruce Crisman!
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Finn the Human on November 15, 2014, 11:02:41 AM
(http://www.sourcebmx.com/Images/Models/Original/28699.jpg)
(http://www.eclatbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-10-at-18.07.20-540x358.png)

Avaliable in the UK from 12/12/2014 for 140 (sourcebmx) or $200 (albes). 9t driver. Weighs 590 grams. Can be switched from RHD to LHD and from a freecoaster to a cassette. Uses a plastic bushing in the driver. Comes in black, polished or blue. The promo shane weston video is pretty shit so here's some ian schwartz and bruce crisman instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbvDQCyMeQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHpKMIgedFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTcj3djL2g
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: i am hollywood on November 15, 2014, 11:36:25 AM
QBP says 2/6/15 for ETA
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Post by: Brendan O. on November 15, 2014, 06:00:18 PM
2/6/15 means 6th of february right you ass-backwards cowboy?
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Finn the Human on November 15, 2014, 06:17:42 PM
QBP says 2/6/15 for ETA

2/6/15 means 6th of february right you ass-backwards cowboy?

Maybe time machine?
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: tim_sch on November 16, 2014, 12:56:33 PM
Should be in Germany approximately in the next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Thomas031 on November 16, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
Any internals yet?

Thought themerged would be disecting that thing by now lol
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: badlight on November 16, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
Any internals yet?

Thought themerged would be disecting that thing by now lol

I have dissected one, it's pretty nifty. Pretty sure all the tension that keeps the pawl ramps from spinning as you pedal comes from the sideload from the driver side cone.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Bunky on November 17, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Here's some pictures from Kurts coverage of Interbike this year.

(http://s22.postimg.org/leezpqxxt/Blind_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/pj797av25/Blind_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/pctk47lx9/Blind_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

Looks like the set screws on the pawl ramp piece tighten down on the bushing giving it some friction on the axle.  The pawls look like they get restricted down into the hub with a traditional pawl clip.

As long as there's more friction there at the "ramps" than the clip puts on the pawls, then everything will function fine.

The pawl ramps look like they function identical to the way the Eastern/Ezra hub works, in that as the pawls move forward they slide up on ramps on a washer next to them pushing them up to engage the ratchet ring. 

The big difference between this and the Eastern, though is that the Blind has a totally different ratchet ring that has it's teeth spaced out a lot more to allow more slack at times.  Makes me wonder though, if the slack stays consistent all the time?
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: skateparkrider on November 17, 2014, 09:18:20 AM
No pictures, links or info. Great thread.

My thoughts exactly.  I want to have an opinion!!!  haha
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: streetStreet on November 17, 2014, 09:51:40 AM
Man, it's obviously just me, but that dude is not a pleasure to watch. Hes got some cool stuff and that promo should show the ability to go backwards, it just seemed rushed and unpolished.

that was also my first impression with a random barspin
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: MilkyWilky on November 17, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
2/6/15 means 6th of february right you ass-backwards cowboy?

Ye, Haw.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: G on November 18, 2014, 06:34:55 AM
... the Blind has a totally different ratchet ring that has it's teeth spaced out a lot more to allow more slack at times.  Makes me wonder though, if the slack stays consistent all the time?


This is my thinking too. If you are going backwards then those teeth are moving past pretty fast and the spacing becomes completely irrelevant, if you inadvertently crank forwards enough to raise a pawl, then it IS going to try to engage.
However, it may be that the wider spacing will help when pedaling forwards in a normal style because the pawls will have a little more time to fully raise before hitting a tooth so they are likely to be fully engaged rather than on the very corner of the tip... then again it is still a "crash" engagement that I can see being very hard on all the parts and those flipable ratchet rings dont have the best reputation for strength to start with.

I normally try to resist dissecting other companies products but this is too interesting to pass up so I have tried to be balanced, but I am obviously biased so completely ignore everything I have written or at least treat it with a huge amount of scepticism and assume I am lying.

:)
G.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: skateparkrider on November 18, 2014, 09:02:16 AM
Man, it's obviously just me, but that dude is not a pleasure to watch. Hes got some cool stuff and that promo should show the ability to go backwards, it just seemed rushed and unpolished.

that was also my first impression with a random barspin

Finally saw the video.  You guys are fucking crazy.  That had some really good backwards clips.  If you want to talk shit on the guy, tell him to get a hair cut or something.  Or to not ride green tires.  But I was pleasantly surprised with a bunch of clips in this video. 

Hater's gon hate. 

Also, props to Eclat for actually putting out a product related video when their product will actually be available.  All of the #comingsoon bull shit is for the birds. 
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: streetStreet on November 18, 2014, 12:25:55 PM
displeasure and hate are pretty diffferent when you look at it. I just didnt enjoy it that much. hell, Ian schawrtz's first line in the lotek video is more enjoyable than all three minutes of that.

Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: skateparkrider on November 18, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
That's because Lotek Mixtape is one of the greatest BMX films ever!!!!   
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: RighteousBMX on November 20, 2014, 05:14:07 PM
The best BMX film ever was the film all over my balls after I fell into an oil-slicked puddle trying a bunnyhop over it.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: I <3 Gore. on November 21, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
The best BMX film ever was the film all over my balls after I fell into an oil-slicked puddle trying a bunnyhop over it.

this is either a severely intelligent bot or one of the most insightful bits of bmx related babble I have ever read.
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: peggiesmalls on November 23, 2014, 05:10:09 PM
Not been keeping up on this,why does it only come in 8tooth?
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Stoked on November 23, 2014, 07:14:10 PM
Not been keeping up on this,why does it only come in 8tooth?

Can't be
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: peggiesmalls on November 23, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
Nvm sites are saying it comes in 9
Title: Re: I'm so bliiiiiiiind
Post by: Thomas031 on November 25, 2014, 10:00:46 PM
Here's some pictures from Kurts coverage of Interbike this year.

(http://s22.postimg.org/leezpqxxt/Blind_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/pj797av25/Blind_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/pctk47lx9/Blind_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

Looks like the set screws on the pawl ramp piece tighten down on the bushing giving it some friction on the axle.  The pawls look like they get restricted down into the hub with a traditional pawl clip.

As long as there's more friction there at the "ramps" than the clip puts on the pawls, then everything will function fine.

The pawl ramps look like they function identical to the way the Eastern/Ezra hub works, in that as the pawls move forward they slide up on ramps on a washer next to them pushing them up to engage the ratchet ring. 

The big difference between this and the Eastern, though is that the Blind has a totally different ratchet ring that has it's teeth spaced out a lot more to allow more slack at times.  Makes me wonder though, if the slack stays consistent all the time?

Allllriiiiight.

I am going to have to look it up but it looks like a couple concepts that Sturmey Archer incorporated in their internal gear hubs- but then german-ed up a bit. I have exploded view sheets, problem is; it's going to be one of the dozens of different designs of the last 20/30 years.

Give me a day, i'll get back on this.

Mainwhile i have to agree that the high speed engaging might result in stressed parts but the lesser engagement points should help the case. Nobody really goes backwards upwards of what? 20mph? tops

If the engagement is click-on and click-off, i think the high speed engagement issue might not pose a problem at all.

With KHE i think the problem was moving your cranks while fakieing, and then suddenly engaging.
If the Blind works the way i think it does, the above might be a bit less/eliminated.

I'm stupid though.