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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: Josss on October 25, 2014, 02:29:30 PM
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The colours on the new Ruben and Hickerson frames are sure looking sweet as
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Blue Hickerson and some 8.85 bars will be mine when they are available in Australia.
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Danny Hickerson is rad and all, but I cant imagine any of the groms I deal with day to day buying his frame for anything other than the color.
Also, I got really stoked for the Cyclops when I saw the thread title, but you let me down.
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Uhhh now i dont know what frame to get blue hickerson is tempting and it suits my riding still atm but also leaning towards a bsd passenger:(
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taiwan, right?
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Already pre-ordered my barcode from empire for next year. Cant wait. Love t1's
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I hope Hickerson is getting well enough to ride.
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to buy or not to buy a blue hickerson that is the question
would love a morsecode
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I hope Hickerson is getting well enough to ride.
he's riding a little bit according to his insta(posted a pic from a ride a few month ago)
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Oh fuck, I want a Ruben so bad. I kinda wish I hadn't just bought a new frame.
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taiwan, right?
Yeah. Fly frames.
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taiwan, right?
Yeah. Fly frames.
Atleast they have gussets and say T1. Not all lucky enough to have Barcodes
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taiwan, right?
Yeah. Fly frames.
Atleast they have gussets and say T1. Not all lucky enough to have Barcodes
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Curious what the cost will be.
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Curious what the cost will be.
http://www.empirebmx.com/terrible-one-hickerson-frame £280/£290 probs.
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Should be in UK shops tomorrow, one of the lads who rides for us has a blue Hickerson coming. Will post up some pics of it.
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ruben always has awesome frame graphics, well t1 always do generally
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What specs?
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Stupid tall bb heights. Stupid 2° upsweep bars.
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Stupid tall bb heights. Stupid 2° upsweep bars.
This. And stupid bolt on brake mounts.
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taiwan, right?
Yeah. Fly frames.
Atleast they have gussets and say T1. Not all lucky enough to have Barcodes
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Obviously took what I said the wrong way . I meant that just because it is made in the same place as Fly frames doesnt necessarily make them the same. This also applies for things outside of bmx as well. A brewery could produce 100 varieties of beer but they aren't all the same.
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Obviously don't understand a joke.
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Stupid tall bb heights. Stupid 2° upsweep bars.
This. And stupid bolt on brake mounts.
I had my doubts about the removable mounts too but really there is no more flex than a pair of welded ones with this frame, if they have to be removable they won't be better than this setup. BB is higher than I'd like though, wish it was 11.5 on the ruben with a little taller stand over.
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Danny Hickerson is rad and all, but I cant imagine any of the groms I deal with day to day buying his frame for anything other than the color.
Yeah, and this is a shame. The more people I ride with the more I realise that us BGers are the nerds of the BMX world. I have to restrain myself from reeling off tricks and video parts during deck conversations!
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I rode a fly frame for 7 years and the brake mounts felt as solid as any. My current frame has welded mounts and I can't feel a difference.
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holy fuck that green boys
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you never really see hickerson builds that much
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you never really see hickerson that much
Yeah I know
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taiwan, right?
Yeah. Fly frames.
Fly has their own factory now that makes frames for other brands? Damn, news to me!
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You've got a Barcode too. Act superior, man. These peasants can't touch this.
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Doublepost
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I have an 02 barcode, does that count?
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Danny Hickerson is rad and all, but I cant imagine any of the groms I deal with day to day buying his frame for anything other than the color.
Yeah, and this is a shame. The more people I ride with the more I realise that us BGers are the nerds of the BMX world. I have to restrain myself from reeling off tricks and video parts during deck conversations!
oh man you seen that new cult/generic west coast/LA edit on tcu? sooooo buttery
yeah waste of time talking to kids about riding these days, things have moved on, its a different generation
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Does anyone know what's the shortest top tube their doing on the new Ruben frames
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If its same as last time will be 20.25, wish i waited for the new batch.
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Oh my
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Gum t1 grips are the best ever.
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ahhhhh!!!!
want those raw salt city bars!
impatiently awaiting!!!
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thats cool and all but i dont see a stem
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I think that stem is the funniest shit. Hopefully Ken didn't eat them because Joe Rich had disagreements with how they looked.
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The stem would have been a cool design in 2004, but outside of it being T1, I'm not sure why anyone gives a shit about it.
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Heeelllllooooooooo
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Wait, they are selling the brake accessories separately now, why ?
They say to keep the cost down but the prices are the same as all the other past frames with the accessories, more moola...
The trans green and blue look trick though.
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Call me blasphemous, but I feel like Terrible 1 stopped being Terrible 1 when Taj left.
I get why they had the push to the foreign made frames, bars, and sprockets, though. It's just too damn hard to get a reliable production company in the US.
Anybody that has the ability to make quality bmx parts in the US ends up making something else that has much better margins.
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Nealcult posted a photo of the latest batch of deathrow cranks. Sounds like a huge ball ache
22mm Death Row Cranks are back in stock.
Plymouth Tubing Swaged at JB Scepko
Fabricated at Solid
Heat treated at Mil-Spec
Broached at Pioneer
Powder Coated at Precision
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The shipping alone to get those cranks around to all those shops must either be a pain in the ass or cost a lot.
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Call me blasphemous, but I feel like Terrible 1 stopped being Terrible 1 when Taj left.
I get why they had the push to the foreign made frames, bars, and sprockets, though. It's just too damn hard to get a reliable production company in the US.
Anybody that has the ability to make quality bmx parts in the US ends up making something else that has much better margins.
I would rather call you snuggly. I can see where some of this opinion could be validated if you are over the age of 30. I will agree that my favorite T1 related shit is from back in the day when it was both Joe and Taj working on stuff together. But to me it comes down to the fact that Terrible One will always be Terrible One. With as man green boxes as those mother fuckers acquired over the years, you gotta get a shit ton of red ones to even begin to start tarnishing their reputation.
Maybe I just brainwashed myself with all of their zines.
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Uh, yeh, I get where you're coming from.
I'm with you that T1 is still awesome, it's just not the exact same as what I remember. I mean Joe Rich will always be a superhero in my mind.
I just kinda wish that it was a perfect world and that T1 could make all their frames, bars, sprockets, stems, etc somewhere local and could actually put things out when they want to in the quantities they want.
I'm still bummed I didn't get a 21.5 barcode when I had the chance...
I still love both sets of T1 bars I've got on my bikes too.
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Wait, they are selling the brake accessories separately now, why ?
They say to keep the cost down but the prices are the same as all the other past frames with the accessories, more moola...
The trans green and blue look trick though.
many riders don't use brakes, so we remove the brake mounts and sell them separately to those who want them
the dealer cost of the frames increased. if we still included the mounts with the frames, the cost of the frame to the consumer would have increased
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Call me blasphemous, but I feel like Terrible 1 stopped being Terrible 1 when Taj left.
I get why they had the push to the foreign made frames, bars, and sprockets, though. It's just too damn hard to get a reliable production company in the US.
Anybody that has the ability to make quality bmx parts in the US ends up making something else that has much better margins.
I would rather call you snuggly. I can see where some of this opinion could be validated if you are over the age of 30. I will agree that my favorite T1 related shit is from back in the day when it was both Joe and Taj working on stuff together. But to me it comes down to the fact that Terrible One will always be Terrible One. With as man green boxes as those mother fuckers acquired over the years, you gotta get a shit ton of red ones to even begin to start tarnishing their reputation.
Maybe I just brainwashed myself with all of their zines.
in otherwords: Guns'N'Roses is still Guns'N'Roses.
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Exactly.
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Wait, they are selling the brake accessories separately now, why ?
They say to keep the cost down but the prices are the same as all the other past frames with the accessories, more moola...
The trans green and blue look trick though.
many riders don't use brakes, so we remove the brake mounts and sell them separately to those who want them
the dealer cost of the frames increased. if we still included the mounts with the frames, the cost of the frame to the consumer would have increased
Yea, but how much?
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many riders don't use brakes, so we remove the brake mounts and sell them separately to those who want them
the dealer cost of the frames increased. if we still included the mounts with the frames, the cost of the frame to the consumer would have increased
Yea, but how much?
If I was buying a frame priced on the higher end of things, regardless of if I rode brakes or not, I would expect it to be full-featured - like my Fly Tierra.
This is like an in-app purchase.
But then again, I imagine it's hard out hee' for a company that doesn't fux wit completes.
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I still want to see sales numbers from all the main companies..
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many riders don't use brakes, so we remove the brake mounts and sell them separately to those who want them
the dealer cost of the frames increased. if we still included the mounts with the frames, the cost of the frame to the consumer would have increased
Yea, but how much?
If I was buying a frame priced on the higher end of things, regardless of if I rode brakes or not, I would expect it to be full-featured - like my Fly Tierra.
This is like an in-app purchase.
But then again, I imagine it's hard out hee' for a company that doesn't fux wit completes.
brakeless riders can say "i don't want to buy stuff i don't need, or have to ask for it to be removed". we can't satisfy both parties, so we chose (to us) the simplest solution
Fly no longer provides the brake mounts/guides/tabs with their frames either
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solid promotion of safety guise
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Almost no one runs brakes so it makes total sense to not include them. I think Federal don't include brake mounts either.
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Almost no one runs brakes so it makes total sense to not include them. I think Federal don't include brake mounts either.
As long as the price doesn't stay the same.
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Most companies don't include them now. The only frame we've had in recently to include them was a Haro Lineage. It makes sense not to considering barely anyone runs brakes, but it's a pain in the arse trying to tell someone who is spending £3/400 on a frame that they need to spend more. I usually chuck them in FOC unless I'm doing a special deal on it.
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I would be so pissed off if I ordered a frame and it didn't come with brake mounts.
Is there at least a disclaimer in the item description that says "does not come with brake mounts"?
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It does on Empire's site.
I still want to see sales numbers from all the main companies..
And people in Hell want ice water.
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From the way I see it, it goes like this- "So it looks like we sold ummm say about 6 pairs of bars and 3 ________ signature frames and a wallet this month." Like some random shit brand..
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brakeless riders can say "i don't want to buy stuff i don't need, or have to ask for it to be removed". we can't satisfy both parties, so we chose (to us) the simplest solution
Fly no longer provides the brake mounts/guides/tabs with their frames either
I hadn't looked at it that way, I guess you must find some compromise.
I wonder what might happen if you were offering the brake mounts free-of-charge, but as an opt-in - would brakeless riders still take it because it's offered, or pass it up because fukk brakez?
It would be interesting anyways to see the numbers of demand, even if only to inform manufacturing decisions.
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So if no one is running them, why aren't they free? You make it sound like there should be an abundance. If they're only needing mounts for 25% of the frames vs 100% previously it seems shitty to charge a jacked up price so you can have a fucking brake on your bike.
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Yup, that seems fucked up.
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in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included. example: the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff
T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices. so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff. i'm not sure why that is confusing
brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced. if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past
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in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included. example: the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff
T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices. so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff. i'm not sure why that is confusing
brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced. if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past
I hear what your saying, Flybikes have kept their prices the same with them not including brake accessories yet T1 opted for this route by not including them yet their prices have risen, the Ruben and Hickerson are made in the same factory as Fly ? I doesn't make sense it just shows me they wanted to increase their price and offer less if you will.
Edit: With the brake mount kits if I were them I'd ordered the same amount to keep the cost the same and just sell them separately, that way their not losing anything.
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Are the removable brake mounts on the new t1 frames the same type used when fly first started doing removable around 2008 or so?
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Are the removable brake mounts on the new t1 frames the same type used when fly first started doing removable around 2008 or so?
Yeah, Fly's Dylan mounts.
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in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included. example: the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff
T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices. so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff. i'm not sure why that is confusing
brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced. if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past
I hear what your saying, Flybikes have kept their prices the same with them not including brake accessories yet T1 opted for this route by not including them yet their prices have risen, the Ruben and Hickerson are made in the same factory as Fly ? I doesn't make sense it just shows me they wanted to increase their price and offer less if you will.
Edit: With the brake mount kits if I were them I'd ordered the same amount to keep the cost the same and just sell them separately, that way their not losing anything.
You should probably send your application to T1. Sounds like you got this bicycle company thing figured out.
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T1 sells the frames direct to shops with brake mounts included. we decided to remove the mounts and sell them separately due to customer requests (customers who didn't want the mounts, ever, for any reason). we had the frames priced at $359.95 with mounts due to increased cost to us for the frames. this happens due to smaller qty of frames ordered from the factory, inflation, etc. when we removed the mounts, we lowered the retail cost to $349.95. now, since another shop is selling the frames for $349.95 with mounts, we lowered the retail cost to $339.95. T1's USA vendor sells the frame and mounts separately, so it's not just us making this decision
regarding Fly vs T1 frame prices, Fly makes a lot more frames than T1, and probably can demand better pricing, even from the same factory
i've also added the brake mounts as an option when ordering the frame, so you only have to click a button. no fuss, no muss :)
regarding ordering the same amount of mounts, past vs present: 1. most companies are making fewer total frames than in the past 2. why order more of something than you realistically think you can sell?
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i've also added the brake mounts as an option when ordering the frame, so you only have to click a button. no fuss, no muss :)
This is what I wanted to hear. I just checked it out on your store too, and like how it's done.
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empire holding down standard operating procedure
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T1 doesn't make as much money as fairdale.
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what the f did I write
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Paying for shit brake mounts seems ridiculous to me.
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Fly style mounts always worked flawlessly for me
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the Fiend/Sunday/etc type fit as well, i've been using those on my Ruben without incident for a year
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Fly style mounts always worked flawlessly for me
Yeah same here, specifically their Dylan mounts.
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the Fiend/Sunday/etc type fit as well, i've been using those on my Ruben without incident for a year
Even if people are having problems with them coming loose, a little loctite fix's it.
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the Fiend/Sunday/etc type fit as well, i've been using those on my Ruben without incident for a year
Even if people are having problems with them coming loose, a little loctite fix's it.
a weld works much better
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the Fiend/Sunday/etc type fit as well, i've been using those on my Ruben without incident for a year
Even if people are having problems with them coming loose, a little loctite fix's it.
a weld works much better
Of course, but if that mount happens to snap for some reason you can't replace it.