Post by: laloest33 on August 06, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
i know all of this is hard to put into words so i'll try to post pics up later. i just thought i'd post this to see if anyone knew what i'm talking about..
here is a link from odyssey's website. their example seems to be working fine.
!["Photobucket"]("http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/laloest33/odysseyquikslicknarp-2.jpg")
Post by: KillSeth on August 06, 2012, 10:59:31 AM
Kind of a silly question but are you sure it is facing the right way? If I remember correctly, that hole is not in the center of the knarp so you want to make sure that it is rotated with the grub screw on the outside.
Post by: laloest33 on August 06, 2012, 11:01:40 AM
as for your second comment, yeah, i tried fitting it in both ways.
Post by: laloest33 on August 06, 2012, 11:02:47 AM
Post by: skateparkrider on August 06, 2012, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: G on August 06, 2012, 03:18:20 PM
The distance from the edge of the cable hole to the closed end of the clamp body should be a touch under 3mm and this should be compatible with all levers (especially our own obviously).
:)
G.
Post by: blueee on August 06, 2012, 11:28:24 PM
Post by: montymitch on August 07, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
Post by: G on August 07, 2012, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: montymitch;3579370
Tried one today after my Animal cable shit the bed but I really don't like e knarp idea. Went with a reg cable instead.
The clamp is only there for frames with weird stop positions, for 95% of bikes you just need to buy the right length and stick it on, it takes 5 seconds..
Length calculator here:-
http://www.odysseybmx.com/dailyword/2012/02/available-now-quik-slic-linear-kables/
:)
G.
Post by: KillSeth on August 07, 2012, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: medusa_cascade on August 07, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
Post by: montymitch on August 07, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: G;3579377
The clamp is only there for frames with weird stop positions, for 95% of bikes you just need to buy the right length and stick it on, it takes 5 seconds..
Length calculator here:-
http://www.odysseybmx.com/dailyword/2012/02/available-now-quik-slic-linear-kables/
:)
G.
The shop only had one length. Don't worry, I still bought an Odyssey cable.
Post by: skateparkrider on August 07, 2012, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: KillSeth;3579380
Truth, this cable is awesome. Once the Springfield brakes are released I hope to be able to install and dial my brakes in in less than a minute.
Quote from: medusa_cascade;3579404
im waiting on these brakes to.
So far there has been a pretty good response of the Quik Slic / Springfield combo from the Sunday completes. I have felt a few different bikes and they all have a damn fine "bmx handshake" to them.
The shop mechanics were pretty stoked on how much less time they spend building the Sunday completes compared to other 20" bikes, which I thought was pretty interesting.
Post by: laloest33 on August 07, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
Post by: G on August 08, 2012, 06:22:29 AM
Quote from: laloest33;3579455
I've seen that springfield brake in pictures but am confused about how it works. does anyone have a link they could share? any info?
Fairly big pictures here:-
http://themerged.com/2012/06/19/sunday-2013-bikes-odyssey-parts-sneak-peek/
There are no springs in the pivots, you just bolt them on with one bolt per arm with no spring balancing, then the spring is here:-
(http://www.gsport.co.uk/junk/Springfield.JPG)
Kind of like the brake I modified for myself many many years ago but neater...
(http://www.gsportbmx.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/back%20brake.jpg)
Rode this for years with zero problems...
:)
G.
Post by: andrew. on August 08, 2012, 06:30:33 AM
Post by: KillSeth on August 08, 2012, 07:22:40 AM
G, you seriously need to give us a current bike check. Please.
Post by: KillSeth on August 08, 2012, 07:23:45 AM
Post by: beerzerker on August 08, 2012, 07:51:43 AM
Quote from: KillSeth;3579522
Also, can you give us a estimate on the stack height of the Springfields? Will they be as low as a Fly/Evo 2 for those of us with chainstay mounts? Will the fact that they don't require springs actually allow them to be lower?
From an older thread...
Quote from: G;3570980
Its a bit lower. 22.5mm for the new one from memory.
:)
G.
Post by: medusa_cascade on August 08, 2012, 11:53:07 AM
Post by: laloest33 on August 08, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: G;3579512
Fairly big pictures here:-
http://themerged.com/2012/06/19/sunday-2013-bikes-odyssey-parts-sneak-peek/
There are no springs in the pivots, you just bolt them on with one bolt per arm with no spring balancing, then the spring is here:-
Kind of like the brake I modified for myself many many years ago but neater...
Rode this for years with zero problems...
:)
G.
holy sht! you gotta hand it to Odyssey.. Always finding ways to make bikes more simple. I'd be interested in trying it out.
Post by: skateparkrider on August 08, 2012, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: medusa_cascade;3579563
anyone know when the brakes are likely to come out?
Looking like the next month or two here in the USA.
Post by: laloest33 on August 09, 2012, 07:26:50 PM
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I did like one of you guys suggested and called up Odyssey. The dude that picked up made some suggestions but concluded that my knarp must have been defective. Frustrated, I thought i'd take a dremel it and shaved some material off.
!["3202963f,]("http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/laloest33/3202963f.jpg")
I got it to work but ironically, all that work was in vain. Despite my efforts to tighten the screw on the knarp it failed catastrophically after a few good tugs of the lever (which is strange since others have said the knarp holds like a champ).
In the end, I thought of a solution and headed to Empire for a new cable. Here is what I came up with to avoid using the knarp. it works like a charm!
!["Uploaded]("http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/laloest33/92ac81f0.jpg")
Post by: G on August 10, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
:)
G.
Post by: skateparkrider on August 10, 2012, 03:49:04 PM
Post by: G on August 10, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: skateparkrider;3580109
Swing by the office if you are ever down south. I totally forgot you are from the Austin area. If you still have my cell phone number just shoot me a text first. We have extra knarps and even extra Quik Slics laying around the office. I can try to help you get rid of the double barrel adjuster situation you are working with.
Be good to get that unit back to check what the problem was and make sure it doesn't happen again...
:)
G.
Post by: milhous on August 10, 2012, 07:58:48 PM
Post by: Austin Tasseltine on August 10, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: andrew.;3579514
What I really want to know is what the hell is that frame in that bottom picture G posted above?
(http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/complete%20view1.jpg)
(http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/rear%20grind%20area.jpg)
http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/gsbike_home.html (http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/gsbike_home.html)
if i ever get hold of some brake mounts that fit my frame i might try a springfield because i always fuck up getting the spring balance on each brake arm wrong
Post by: Locomotivebrand on August 11, 2012, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: G;3579512
There are no springs in the pivots, you just bolt them on with one bolt per arm with no spring balancing, then the spring is here:-
G.
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This is pretty interesting! I've always used my springs to get my pads to grab the rim at the exact same time, I guess that is not possible with this setup? Also, is there a way to adjust the tension? Sorry if this has been answered or shown in pics somewhere else (I didn't look into it, sorry)!
Post by: medusa_cascade on August 11, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
Post by: G on August 11, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: fortytwobikes;3580257
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This is pretty interesting! I've always used my springs to get my pads to grab the rim at the exact same time, I guess that is not possible with this setup? Also, is there a way to adjust the tension? Sorry if this has been answered or shown in pics somewhere else (I didn't look into it, sorry)!
The idea is to simplify set-up as much as possible, so there is zero adjustment. Bikes these days are pretty well made, so the days of wonky bosses and bent back ends should be behind us, and as long as the bosses are correctly positioned everything should be fit and forget.
We have had these for a while and we haven't yet seen a frame or wheel that is too far out of line for the brake to work right. On my bike they went on perfect and stay perfectly centred and do contact the rim both sides at once. Because of the geometry of where the spring is, it does tend to centre well and move evenly.
People who are obsessive about their brakes and need the pads to contact at EXACTLY the same time every time (like flatlanders, if there are any out there still running brakes anyway) will want to stick with the individual spring brakes and we will still be making those. But for people who just want a fuss free brake that works, these are ideal, they are also a good bet if you regularly put brakes on for a few rides then take them off, since there are no springs in the pivots they take seconds to install and remove.
Especially if paired with the QuikSlic... (to return to the subject..)
:)
G.
Post by: Dr. Steve Brule on August 11, 2012, 06:25:56 PM
Quote from: Austin Tasseltine;3580185
(http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/complete%20view1.jpg)
(http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/rear%20grind%20area.jpg)
http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/gsbike_home.html (http://gsport.co.uk/custom/G%27s_bike/gsbike_home.html)
(http://orionrobots.co.uk/show_image.php?id=179&scalesize=0&nocount=y)
Post by: Dr. Steve Brule on August 11, 2012, 06:27:14 PM
Post by: laloest33 on August 11, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: milhous;3580172
Everytime I see your bike it makes me miss that frame!!
haha! thanks man. i've tried switching it out a few times but i keep going back to it. she still rides great.
Post by: laloest33 on August 11, 2012, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: G;3580100
^^^ Really sorry you had such a nightmare. My guess is that the hole was drilled too high up, which means that instead of tightening against the bottom of the clamp body, the cable was just being pushed down the hole... If you can swing by OTX with it and show it to Chris or Taj or someone that would be awesome and they can hook you up with a replacement or something for your trouble.... or just leave it at Empire..
:)
G.
No problem! I'm just glad i got it sorted for now. I love the stiffness the cable offers and was bummed when i thought it wouldn't work with my set up. I'd definitely like to swing by OTX. I'll bring what's left of the cable with me.
Post by: laloest33 on August 11, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: skateparkrider;3580109
Swing by the office if you are ever down south. I totally forgot you are from the Austin area. If you still have my cell phone number just shoot me a text first. We have extra knarps and even extra Quik Slics laying around the office. I can try to help you get rid of the double barrel adjuster situation you are working with.
That would be super cool man. I live south so that would work out. i think i still have your number, is it the 319 number?
Post by: KillSeth on February 19, 2015, 02:14:28 PM
Is there any perceived change in performance by putting the adjustability at the brake arm-side of the straddle as opposed to the hanger-side?
(http://www.kinkbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cable_kink1pc_K107BLK-500x333.jpg)
I will say that I have been an avid user of the OG Quik Slic since it came out. I love how easy it is and how stiff braking becomes. I recently switched frames and the single-piece Quik Slic no longer worked for me (both options were too long). I purchased an adjustable Quik Slic and though the shortest option worked in terms of length, but the performance was abysmal. It felt like there was a ton of friction between the cable and the housing and it totally killed my brake performance. Not sure if I got a bad one or not, but needless to say I am very bummed that I can no longer use the 1-piece version.
Post by: Stoked on February 19, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
Post by: Narcoleptic Insomniac on February 20, 2015, 06:21:49 PM
Post by: hugh. on February 20, 2015, 06:34:38 PM
Post by: @ss4oLe on February 21, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
I like the idea of a single cable/hanger. the anal beads seems like a good way to adjust the length.
Post by: Louis on February 22, 2015, 03:09:12 PM
What gives? Please fix them. I put my OG housing back on yesterday after trying out two of your brand new 'Linear' cables, it's sad. They no longer remind me of upgrading to stainless brake lines on a car.
(http://i.imgur.com/QWNKFBh.jpg)
Post by: KillSeth on February 23, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
My thoughts:
Cons
1) The brake housing is too long. This is an issue since it's a one-piece cable and cannot be easily shortened. I'd say they could stand to lose 3-4 inches at least.
2) The housing is noticeably slimmer and less stiff than Odyssey linear cables. I suspect this is not a good sign of things to come.
Pros
1) Kink uses extra long ferrules, which I like.
2) Having the adjustment on the brake arm-side of the hanger seems to be working fine.
Post by: G on February 23, 2015, 09:33:30 AM
G, any thoughts on Kink's new offering?: http://www.kinkbmx.com/parts/cables/1-piece-cable/
Is there any perceived change in performance by putting the adjustability at the brake arm-side of the straddle as opposed to the hanger-side?
(http://www.kinkbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cable_kink1pc_K107BLK-500x333.jpg)
Looks like a shitty copy to me, have to see what the patent agent thinks. Aside from that, Kink have always had very crappy outer and I doubt that this is any different.
I will say that I have been an avid user of the OG Quik Slic since it came out. I love how easy it is and how stiff braking becomes. I recently switched frames and the single-piece Quik Slic no longer worked for me (both options were too long). I purchased an adjustable Quik Slic and though the shortest option worked in terms of length, but the performance was abysmal. It felt like there was a ton of friction between the cable and the housing and it totally killed my brake performance. Not sure if I got a bad one or not, but needless to say I am very bummed that I can no longer use the 1-piece version.
Did you lube it well? Cables always need lots of lube and a little time to wear in. It should have been much the same as the one-piece version. The original should have come with a very neat little nipple clamp to let you cut it down at the lever end which would be another option.
:)
G.
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