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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: Zoidberg on March 19, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
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out of interest could we have a list of freecoasters from best to worst with their pros and cons?
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Free-coaster.com
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G-coaster - cons: is imaginary.
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http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php?t=188273
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pros of all
rolling backwards while coasting
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colony freecoaster
http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/2012/03/fakie-anyone/
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"freecoaster that may or may not make production as a Colony product… time will tell."
Sounds like he got someone to machine down a KHE/Federal shell or something. It'd be great for the Australian market if Colony did make one.
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Best: probably a khe if you treat it nice.
Worst: basically every single one if you're a retard.
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If you can deal with the limitations a Nankai Bamboo will outperform any other freecoaster on the market. Fact.
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This is a subjective question. there isn't one freecoaster out that doesn't have some sort of issue so it's only going to be opinions
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Anybody have a Nankai and want a KHE?
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Can't wait for the Ezra and Eclat hubs to be released. Hopefully they bring something new to the table... My second hand Federal V2 wobbles like all shit.
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We should have a stickied thread or even just a thread called "Freecoasters" for ANYTHING freecoaster related.. It's not like the interest for a long lasting reliable freecoaster is going to change any time soon.
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If you can deal with the limitations a Nankai Bamboo will outperform any other freecoaster on the market. Fact.
What limitations?
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What limitations?
Mainly, all unsealed bearings that require a lot of cleaning and maintenance. The hub requires the typical unsealed bearing preload setting with cone nuts.
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What limitations?
large cone wrench (not common), typical looseball hub adjustments, slack range
IIRC
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I already have the 24mm cone wrench. And can work on unsealed hubs. Sounds like I need to pull the damn trigger already. How bad is the slack range, say compared to a Reverse? I like as much slack as she can give me.
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In a recent convo I had with the designer of the Ezra hub told me patents have been filed and expect a summer release
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pluggin' away
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I got almost a 1/4 crank slack out of my nankai. You just need to find a really really thin washer to go behind the clutch to keep it from knocking the spring off the inner long cone. That and the fact that its rhd only, 9 or 11t and requires a touch more maintainece than a sealed hub are the only issues IMO. Honestly you don't need to tear it down every week to keep it running, and even if you did its really quite simple with the 8mm broach in the axle.
That being said mine ran smooth as hell and fast as balls. I never had engagement issues and it stood up to my sketchy street riding.
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In a recent convo I had with the designer of the Ezra hub told me patents have been filed and expect a summer release
The plot thickens... If it can withstand Karl Poynter's fakie styles (lots of pedal pressure) its worth checking out.
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Anybody have a Nankai and want a KHE?
I don't have any idea about this. that's why i can't share any info???????
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I don't have any idea about this. that's why i can't share any info???????
What?
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I've been running a 10mm Nankai Bamboo for about 2 years. Feels better than any KHE clone out there and in my experience the dudes with sealed hubs shitting themselves all the time fuck with their hubs more than I would. With all this said I don't run pegs.
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Anybody have a Nankai and want a KHE?
I have 3 KHE's right now. I would love to go back to my old Nankai.
Heck even with thread on axle adapter and a steel hub shell making that hub a portly SOB, I would prefer to run it. Although. I'm curious to see how my new KHE mods work out.
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Although. I'm curious to see how my new KHE mods work out.
Spill the beans...
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switching to non-standard proprietary bearing sizes throughout, wireless adjustable slack (to be operated remotely using a switch on your bars), 6t driver, 34 spoke drilling only, eas plus 5 pc axle system, and free complementary ass fucking from khes product design department
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^ Gay, no pixie dust.. Might as well just wait for the fabled G-Coaster.
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pros of all
rolling backwards while coasting
this is 100% true of my freecoaster
60% of the time
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Does somebody know what kind of bearings the STmartin coaster uses? It has an 3/8" axle by the way
(http://s224181387.onlinehome.us/StM/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/St-Martin-Darwin-freecoaster.jpg)
http://blog.brakeless.ch/blog/freecoaster_stmartin
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Does somebody know what kind of bearings the STmartin coaster uses? It has an 3/8" axle by the way
(http://s224181387.onlinehome.us/StM/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/St-Martin-Darwin-freecoaster.jpg)
http://blog.brakeless.ch/blog/freecoaster_stmartin
looks like a khe clone, hopefully with bigger bearings. I would give up pegs forever if it meant better bearings
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It's a KHE clone. But since it's 3/8 it probably has bigger bearings.... or?
It says it uses a 3/8" female axle, so maybe it's just an greyhound with the stupid eas system
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Backwards lol
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I'm sure it's thread in post/3piece axle. They'd have to mess with the spring ball setup to get 3/8 to work. It would be a sick hub with beefy bearings tho. khe logic... If its broke, only fix the shit that didn't need fixed.
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It's a KHE clone. But since it's 3/8 it probably has bigger bearings.... or?
It says it uses a 3/8" female axle, so maybe it's just an greyhound with the stupid eas system
Naw, the Greyhound has different size flanges. this looks like it uses the Astern style shell. Pretty much an updated version of the Geisha Flat.
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Spill the beans...
Honestly, it's nothing new. Thrust bearing behind the clutch, bushing driver setup. I'm trying to make it happen while recording all the part numbers to make the bushing driver work and have someone else be able to duplicate it.
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Honestly, it's nothing new. Thrust bearing behind the clutch, bushing driver setup. I'm trying to make it happen while recording all the part numbers to make the bushing driver work and have someone else be able to duplicate it.
nice. ill keep following you on that bushing setup. ive had some success with a bushing/needle bearing setup before but that was in a chosen hub that has 3 of those little bearings. im going to work on getting that setup going on my federal too which has just shit the bed so it would be interesting to compare. what material do you use for the bushings?
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My little contribution.
This is a Affix/KHE style coaster I machined down.
I turned down the non drive side flange and re-drilled the holes.
I femaled the axle and extended the thread in the non drive side so the thicker cone nut can be replaced by a thinner one giving more room for a hub guard. I also made a narrower non drive cone to give more room as well.
It has a thrust bearing behind the clutch, and I've been looking into bushings for the driver.
The lower shots have older B6 ti bolts.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6038/6876863638_9b42420f6a_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6877235630_46a601995f_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7092/7023334701_c792e90447_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6877237588_a93339a22d_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7023337315_7044f764d6_b.jpg)
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Looks really good!
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Nice work. Tidy as fu*k
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My little contribution.
This is a Affix/KHE style coaster I machined down.
I turned down the non drive side flange and re-drilled the holes.
I femaled the axle and extended the thread in the non drive side so the thicker cone nut can be replaced by a thinner one giving more room for a hub guard. I also made a narrower non drive cone to give more room as well.
It has a thrust bearing behind the clutch, and I've been looking into bushings for the driver.
The lower shots have older B6 ti bolts.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6038/6876863638_9b42420f6a_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6877235630_46a601995f_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7092/7023334701_c792e90447_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6877237588_a93339a22d_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7023337315_7044f764d6_b.jpg)
Kinda similar to a Greyhound then I guess. I regards to the shell anyway.
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So how can I make my Reverse crank flip?
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So how can I make my Reverse crank flip?
dead on chain alignment.
ensure driver bearings spin glass smooth (replace frequently)
add axial thrust bearings behind the clutch
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Will I be able to crankflip on the Ratchet?
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should be able to, yes
the original version (first came out) had too tight a clearance between hub shell and chain which caused drag (i found out first hand). those hubs should be long gone unless there's one collecting dust out there in a bike shop
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i have a pretty early one (48h 10t) and it crankflips pretty good. the chain must have been hitting the shell at somepoint cos it wore the black off, you could always file it if it wont spin enough. if your chain isnt too tight it should crankflip good
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I just realized I said Ratchet when I meant G-Coaster. Will I be able to crankflip on the G-Coaster?
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I just realized I said Ratchet when I meant G-Coaster. Will I be able to crankflip on the G-Coaster?
I heard the G-Coaster V2 was going to come with lazer booby locators with a grub screw inside the axle to fine tune what cup size you prefer so you don't have to pull the hub apart to change your settings.
AKA: we won't know until the hub is available.
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Sneak peak at Colony's KHE style coaster from their instagram and on BMX union (http://www.bmxunion.com/blog/daily/sneak-peek-colony-freecoaster-2/).
I like the threaded hub guard.
(http://www.bmxunion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Picture-111.png)
"There was word that Colony was “maybe” doing a freecoaster a few months back. They just dropped this photo on Instagram a minute ago with this caption to go with it “Colony Freecoaster. Male or female axle RHD or LHD. Out November.” … Looks like they decided to put it into production along with a hub guar to go with it! Expect more info on this closer to its release or at Interbike in September."
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Are the male freecoasters less prone to being dogshit than the females?
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From the looks of it it is one of those "shemale" hubs.
Thus I dont think there would be much different, other than your bike looking neater pegless.
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I just realized I said Ratchet when I meant G-Coaster. Will I be able to crankflip on the G-Coaster?
Not really. I mean it might go round if you kick really hard, but there will always be an inherent conflict with how all freecoasters work.
When you back pedal there HAS to be some drag to the axle to retract the engagement parts, so in the KHE style ones this would be the ball springs dragging on the clutch. In the G-Coaster (if we ever get it out) it would be the axial spring on the cams.
Dont hold your breath though.
:)
G.
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What I heard was that KHE had bought an exclusive use from a manufactor (probably yu hub http://www.yuhub.com.tw/en/products/?method=detail&aid=118). And now that period is over. That's why you suddently see alot of similar hubs coming out without the KHE name on it.
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Colony Coaster looks pretty similar to a Reloader on the outside at least. Will probably be $200+ coming from Colony.
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Sneak peak at Colony's KHE style coaster from their instagram and on BMX union (http://www.bmxunion.com/blog/daily/sneak-peek-colony-freecoaster-2/).
I like the threaded hub guard.
(http://www.bmxunion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Picture-111.png)
"There was word that Colony was “maybe” doing a freecoaster a few months back. They just dropped this photo on Instagram a minute ago with this caption to go with it “Colony Freecoaster. Male or female axle RHD or LHD. Out November.” … Looks like they decided to put it into production along with a hub guar to go with it! Expect more info on this closer to its release or at Interbike in September."
Looks tidy.
Haha shemale.
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Colony freecoaster update (http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/2012/08/product-update-colony-freecoaster/)
"Back in March this year we dropped news that we were working on our own freecoaster & it was one of our highest rated news pieces we have ever published on the site. Well now 5 months later, we are a little closer to having these hubs out.
Come December this year, they will be available in selected markets around the world. Details are as follows…
14mm male axle & 14mm female axle versions.
RHD & LHD versions.
9t driver only.
36 hole only.
Optional hub guard available seperately.
Black only.
More info will be released closer to the release date."
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster6.jpg)
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster2.jpg)
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster4.jpg)
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster1.jpg)
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster3.jpg)
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/coaster5.jpg)
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i am quite surprised colony are doing it in black only, thought they had to sell all their stuff in horrid colours
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I assume its due to the limited market for freecoasters.
Hub looks good though. But there seem to be more interesting hubs dropping soon though.
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there was a thread for this already. its a khe clone with a thread on hubguard (which will suck because thread on hubguards are shit)
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there was a thread for this already. its a khe clone with a thread on hubguard (which will suck because thread on hubguards are shit)
I know I posted it earlier in this thread (prior to it being posted anywhere else) but it was just an update.
The hub should also be out in Australia by late october and retail for $199. Good news for Australia as there are currently no decent coasters available here.
In regards to the threaded guard, I think you are looking at it all wrong. The axle has thread running all the way to the bearing, meaning you could replace the stock locknut with a narrower one and run any number of guards on the market. Unlike any other KHE clone style freecoaster on the market (which I also stated in the other thread you are speaking of).
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yeah i remember you saying that. thats the only real improvement to this coaster over existing models, being able to run a thinner locknut and spacer and an fbm style guard without having to space your back end out more.
thats not why they designed it like that though, its just chance that occured because colony have a stupid obsession with having threaded hubguards on their hubs.
another shemale axle option is good as well, because stranger (well rich hirsch) havent got a great record with regards to actually getting their products out there and making them available. it still baffles me why khe never released a femaled version of their coasters like 5 years ago when everyone wanted to be ian scwartz, but yeah, now they are finally becoming available so thats good-more options and stuff.
with coasters getting a bit more popular again id like to see companies offering all the aftermarket spares as well, because these style hubs are far from perfect and need maintaining
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thats not why they designed it like that though, its just chance that occured because colony have a stupid obsession with having threaded hubguards on their hubs.
I beg to differ. When the first prototype was made, this is exactly what was done.
Here it is with a push on guard and correct wheel spacing.
(http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/CloneFreecoaster.jpg)
I do agree that screw on guards aren't ideal for heavy grinding, however the vast majority of riders aren't that heavy on them.
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The zodiac version is better, but i couldnt find the pic of the other side where you can see how the cone nut is recessed into the guard
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ucflC2nL1qer7cno1_1280.jpg)
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I'm still running the prototype Alone hub guards and after 7 years use, they are fine.
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(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/kenspaulding/FHG-03R.jpg)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/kenspaulding/FHG-02R.jpg)
The Zodiac guard is awesome if you have a KHE style axle with a threadless shoulder. However I can see limiting access to the lock nut. It's still only a small compromise though.
My point is focussed on the colony hub and the fact the accommodation of any traditional hub guard (even the Zodiac) was considered during the design proccess.
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Wasn't the Colony prototype built by Zodiac?
Maybe I'm mistaken.
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Waiting on the Video from Charlie about the Coastersaurus/Guards & im waiting to see the internals on the Eclat then i shall make up my mind!
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More Eclat Blind pics.
(http://www.eclatbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-10-at-18.07.20-540x358.png)
(http://www.eclatbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-10-at-18.07.10-540x359.png)
(http://www.eclatbmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-10-at-18.06.58-540x359.png)
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Wasn't the Colony prototype built by Zodiac?
Maybe I'm mistaken.
Evan@luxbmx (spev)
http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/2012/03/fakie-anyone/ (http://www.colonybmx.com.au/news/2012/03/fakie-anyone/)
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Well, I know this is an old thread . . . but there is good info in it. In the market to buy one . . . .
Cult
http://www.empirebmx.com/cult-freecoaster-hub (http://www.empirebmx.com/cult-freecoaster-hub)
36h and 9t only
RHD or LHD
designed using patented KHE technology
tapered roller bearing on drive side + high quality sealed cartridge bearing on non-drive side
one 6802 bearing in driver + one needle roller bearing
needle thrust bearing behind clutch
includes slack adjustment washers
two axle choices:
1-pc 14mm cromo heat-treated axle
3-pc female 14mm cromo heat-treated axle with 3/8" bolts (14mm axle extends past locknuts 4mm to fit 14mm dropout slots)
Eclat Blind
http://www.empirebmx.com/eclat-blind-freecoaster-hub (http://www.empirebmx.com/eclat-blind-freecoaster-hub)
36h
9t driver
6061 T-6 AL shell
4130 cromo heat-treated female axle (3/8" x 24t bolts, 14mm female axle passes into dropout) or 14mm male axle
2 high quality japanese bearings
polymer bushing in driver
hub drive direction can be switched from RHD to LHD
allen key inner axle for easy maintenance
590 g (20.8 oz)
Primo Freemix
http://www.empirebmx.com/primo-freemix-freecoaster-hub (http://www.empirebmx.com/primo-freemix-freecoaster-hub)
6061-T6 aluminum hub shell
14mm male axle or 14mm female axle with 3/8" bolts
1-pc 9t driver and ACB bearings for side support
hub shell bearings: 6002 (x1) non-drive side, 7905 ACB (x1) drive side
available in either RHD or LHD
available with 9t driver
driver bearings: 7802-14 (x2)
23 oz (w/9t driver)
Shadow Conspiracy Raptor
http://www.empirebmx.com/shadow-conspiracy-raptor-freecoaster-hub (http://www.empirebmx.com/shadow-conspiracy-raptor-freecoaster-hub)
6061-T6 aluminum hub shell
14mm heat-treated axle w/allen insert for easy removal
1-pc 9t driver and ACB bearings for side support
hub shell bearings: 6002 (x1) non-drive side, 7905 ACB (x1) drive side
available in either RHD or LHD
includes three slack adjustment washers to adjust engagement slack
available with 9t driver
driver bearings: 6802-14 (x1) and one needle bearing
23.2 oz
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Cult v1 and v2
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/torrietree/bike%20check/CB9EA786-5E6B-4A64-9881-61BCD7663B35_zpsjnk6d2qz.jpg) (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/torrietree/media/bike%20check/CB9EA786-5E6B-4A64-9881-61BCD7663B35_zpsjnk6d2qz.jpg.html)
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The Cult, Primo and Shadow are all what most people would define as KHE-esqe coasters. On the paper I would say Cult is the best, but as GUMP_´s post indicate I have seen a lot of them fail.
I am myself on a Federal v2 which hold up good, they were the first to give their take on KHE´s design. Ive also ridden a bunch of KHE coasters that hold up well.
If realiability is what you are after I would just go for what has been used pleanty and is not too new, most coasters that come out have some issues for the first batches.
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id say federal just based on some excellent customer service i experienced recently, where by after a casual fb comment about the engagement slipping on my 5 year old v1 coaster, they said to email them, and they sorted me out with a brand new clutch and resistance system for free.
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Cult v1 and v2
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/torrietree/bike%20check/CB9EA786-5E6B-4A64-9881-61BCD7663B35_zpsjnk6d2qz.jpg) (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/torrietree/media/bike%20check/CB9EA786-5E6B-4A64-9881-61BCD7663B35_zpsjnk6d2qz.jpg.html)
I see your problem. Too much cat hair. I try to go for a light sprinkle of cat hair, you seem to have caked it on.
Also, try to find Calico hair. Tabby will work in a pinch, but calico is much smoother.
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Federal or wait for the odyssey clutch.