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The Back Alley => Site Help and Rules => Topic started by: sheepdog on March 16, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
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Due to the thread about all of the new people here there seems to be a lot of talk about closing Bg’s registration. Let me set the record straight (for the 50,000 time).
Bg has and always will be open registration. It was the premise it was founded on and it is partly what I believe makes it what it is. Does it go through good and bad cycles, of course, but every site has that happen. Closing registration causes its own set of problems, none of which I want. One of which is how do you know who the next George (Gsport) is and know to let him in: or how about the next Ted (Seshin). Locking the place down keeps out some bad, but you will not know how much good you are blocking out either.
Does this mean Bg will get so big that I cannot keep it running, not likely. Between the ads and what I make, I can keep this place going pretty easily. Some things may need to change, but it should not be a problem. I can always ad more moderators of need be or adjust how pages are displayed. Let me worry about that side of it.
Just be nice, welcome the new guys, and appreciate the place for what it is. That new guy you are ragging on could be the next Dave Mirra, Rob-O or George French. Or it could even be one of them.
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theres always a few new members on any board that come on and be stupid. But there are so many helpful people on here (G, Sheep, Ted@seshin) and so on that make this place really good for people who need advice on parts, or help or whatever the case is.
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we do our best to separate the wheat from the chaff.
but some will slip through. with the combined popularity of bmx and t'interweb, were're bound to get some dicks. the hard thing (fnaar fnaar) is to realise some of these dicks are ok given some time.
there are other bmx forums out there, i think most are a bit shit. but if they're your bag, so be it, go have fun. please don't come here if you dislike it.
sheepdog and all us lot (admins and mods) try to keep a tight ship. a common criticism is that bg is too uptight. trust me, we're not. come and have a laugh, express wit. just don't be a knob.
we don't want to end up like the ride forums circa '01.
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it does seem that latley alot of new kids who are completly retarded have shown up on here, but alot have been banned latley, one i remember inperticular is that kid with the complete fit in the bike gallery that typed like a complete retard and thought he was the sweetest and everyone else was retarded....he is now banned
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I think banning people simply because they are knobs is way better than waiting for the knobs to break a rule.
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I think banning people simply because they are knobs is way better than waiting for the knobs to break a rule.
nah man, that's too harsh.
most of the decent members on here were knobs when they first joined. now they're entartaining, some are even intersting. some are even admins.
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I think banning people simply because they are knobs is way better than waiting for the knobs to break a rule.
I know it seems like the smart way to do it, but is it?
How fair is that, the person has not done anything wrong and you are banning them for it? Thought crime anyone? Not exactly fair is it? A lot of people think I treat them unfair enough as it is when they do break a rule.
I have a shitty enough reputation on a lot of other forums as it is. Many people think I am a total dick or the next coming of Hitler, I cannot imagine the reputation I would get if the staff started banning people without a good reason. Trust me, seeing your name dragged through the mud constantly gets old real fast.
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Doug is a pretty common name.....
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i look at it this way bg is what it is and we have to deal with it
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do you weed out old user names that are abandoned? some people sign on, post one or two threads, then never return. (probably a wise decision on their part and evidence that there is life after bikeguide.) is this a drag on the infrastructure of the site?
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Without n00bs, there would be no fun. Don't be mean to them, have fun with them.
Live and let learn.
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Live and let live*?
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Yes, but in this case, they must learn.
God live a little man.
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Doug is a pretty common name.....
And I suppose Bikeguide is too.
i look at it this way bg is what it is and we have to deal with it
I don't see a whole lot wrong with it. Yes, it can be improved, but what can't. Compared to a lot of places I think this place is run pretty well considering the age of the people here.
do you weed out old user names that are abandoned? some people sign on, post one or two threads, then never return. (probably a wise decision on their part and evidence that there is life after bikeguide.) is this a drag on the infrastructure of the site?
We have in the past but the problem is that a lot of people measure a boards size and success on the number of members on the index. May not be the best way, but a lot of people do. I used to, but then realized the number of people online was a better indication. I don't like purging for that reason though.
Is it a drag on the infrastructure, no. A ton of threads can be though, especially if someone searches for a 3 or 4 letter word.
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Good point... And it gets people into the sport (which we want)!
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I absolutely agree that you should keep registration open if at all possible. We dont need elitism in BMX...
G.
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most of the decent members on here were knobs when they first joined. now they're entartaining, some are even intersting. some are even admins.
I know I was.
You guys who want closed registration need to get bent. What if it was closed before you joined? For all the bad members, we usually get at least 3 or 4 great members a month. Think of all the funny and entertaining people who have joined within the last 6 months. Most of the idiots will post a few times, get reamed, and either fall in line or go back to another inferior message board talking shit about BG. Its worked that way for years.
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I love bikeguide. I know i'm a noob but I do a lot of reading and it's the only place I can have a good laugh, learn stuff, see new parts, see people bikes, pictures, etc. I think it's awesome just how it is. Plus every forum has idiots, it doesn't seem to have much correlation to a join date.
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we need a skill testing question, that is required to be answered in paragraph form with proper grammar prior to being allowed to post.
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we need a skill testing question, that is required to be answered in paragraph form with proper grammar prior to being allowed to post.
That would rule out 85% of the current "good" members that are on here, though. However, I do always cringe at your/you're.
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Most of the idiots will post a few times, get reamed, and either fall in line or go back to another inferior message board talking shit about BG. Its worked that way for years.
thats what's happened to me...hopefully i am falling in line, cos i aint leaving BG....
we need a skill testing question, that is required to be answered in paragraph form with proper grammar prior to being allowed to post.
not a bad idea...
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Sheepdong just wants to be cool like bmxboard.
This website is both a great service to the bmx industry, and a great drain on humanity as a whole. Stupid people+stupid people= stupid, stupid people.
*gets banned for making fun of your leader*
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bmxboard is far from cool.
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Sheepdong just wants to be cool like bmxboard.
This website is both a great service to the bmx industry, and a great drain on humanity as a whole. Stupid people+stupid people= stupid, stupid people.
*gets banned for making fun of your leader*
As I was saying earlier...
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You mean I'm the new rob-o?! Sweet.
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You mean I'm the new rob-o?! Sweet.
Are you trying to get on my bad side?
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Everyone was a noob at one time. I don't see closing registration a good idea at all. Seems like there is too much snobbery foing round if people are suggesting that.
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^Sarcasm man. Take it easy cheesy.
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^Sarcasm man. Take it easy cheesy.
Text is text, it does not convey emotion or tone.
I don't know you well enough to know when you are or are not joking.
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Are you trying to get on my bad side?
probably, but if you banned him, he would put the pieces together and find out it was actually bikeguide working in conjunction with the CIA. The government sees that alaskan knows whats really going on in this country and theyve been trying to shut him up.
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probably, but if you banned him, he would put the pieces together and find out it was actually bikeguide working in conjunction with the CIA. The government sees that alaskan knows whats really going on in this country and theyve been trying to shut him up.
Actually, one of the staff would probably ban him before I would, by all rights he already crossed the line.
I usually let shit slide when it is about me regardless of how bad it is. I don't like using my power like that.
Edit: Even though I still end up being blamed for it.
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Text is text, it does not convey emotion or tone.
What about context? That's still a word too, right?
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probably, but if you banned him, he would put the pieces together and find out it was actually bikeguide working in conjunction with the CIA. The government sees that alaskan knows whats really going on in this country and theyve been trying to shut him up.
(http://www.stuckatwork.com/smileys/applaudit.gif)
It could be real.
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I'm on a few forums... They are all open registration, less bmxboard. One of them has a feature that has you write a short bit about yourself and why you want to join... helps keep out the dbags. The you submit your request to join. It might be more work for you admins but it could help...
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This place is great! There is some funny characters on here. I have been a member since 06 and only posted like 2 times this being my 3rd. I guess I never wanted to be one of those " noobs " that make the place shitty.
haha
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that is so awesome. Post more!
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basic test that needs to be passed:
your/you're
their/there/they're
to/too/two
i don't use capitals(sp?) or spell some words correctly but those three do my fucking head in.
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Hating on new members is silly. It's become one of those trends that you only do it because you can and you think it's going to get you cool points with some of the more respected members.
I think you look like a cunt if you bitch out a person new to BMX or Bikeguide just because they arn't educated on the sport enought yet.
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Just think of how many entertaining threads would not have been around if registration was closed. Example would be Georgia; a lot of people thought he was annoying as hell and should've been banned from the get-go, but he was very entertaining on many levels. I think what couch suggested about the registration summary would be alright.
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new to the sport is different to new to bikeguide though. i'd been on a bmx for over 6 years before i found/joined bg.
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Hating on new members is silly. It's become one of those trends that you only do it because you can and you think it's going to get you cool points with some of the more respected members.
I think you look like a cunt if you bitch out a person new to BMX or Bikeguide just because they arn't educated on the sport enought yet.
people need to understand that seldom do people pick on "noobs" simply because they're new.
When you join this place it is no different than joining any other circle of people in life. There are people that have been around, know each other and know how to kid around and get a long. When new people come in they see this and try to jump in on it. Sorry pal, no one knows you. Until you give me a reason to like you, I'm not going to assume you're a cool dude. I don't dislike people because they have a low post count, but no way am I going to treat them like I treat the people I've known for over seven years now. That's stupid.
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I know it seems like the smart way to do it, but is it?
How fair is that, the person has not done anything wrong and you are banning them for it? Thought crime anyone? Not exactly fair is it? A lot of people think I treat them unfair enough as it is when they do break a rule.
I have a shitty enough reputation on a lot of other forums as it is. Many people think I am a total dick or the next coming of Hitler, I cannot imagine the reputation I would get if the staff started banning people without a good reason. Trust me, seeing your name dragged through the mud constantly gets old real fast.
Your bad reputation on other bmx messageboards reflects the idea that you moderate threads too strictly. For example, when one of the RNC workers notified in a post on bmxboard that his company was going out of business, I started a thread about it because felt it important that bikeguide too heard this news. You immediately deleted it, claiming that we should not discuss such rumors before they are proven true. I still find that ridiculous: this isn't the CNN website, it's a community.
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Your bad reputation on other bmx messageboards reflects the idea that you moderate threads too strictly. For example, when one of the RNC workers notified in a post on bmxboard that his company was going out of business, I started a thread about it because felt it important that bikeguide too heard this news. You immediately deleted it, claiming that we should not discuss such rumors before they are proven true.
Maybe Sheep felt that the announcement of something such as that should be made by the person who owned the company, especially seeing the owner of RNC used to (and maybe still does) post here.
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Maybe Sheep felt that the announcement of something such as that should be made by the person who owned the company, especially seeing the owner of RNC used to (and maybe still does) post here.
exactly. you could've at least quoting what he said from another site or some sort of evidence to back up your claims.
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Maybe Sheep felt that the announcement of something such as that should be made by the person who owned the company, especially seeing the owner of RNC used to (and maybe still does) post here.
I try to let the companies speak for themselves when I know they frequent the place. I talked to Ryan quite often and was waiting for him to make an announcement.
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What about context? That's still a word too, right?
You were allover on that post, so how do you determine context?
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LOL OMG WUT IF MEATSPINNER CUMZ?
dude, if you made it so we had to log in to view the forums, then i'd be able to get on at school.
seriously, just do it for me for the next 3 days so i have something to do in in-school suspension.
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Your bad reputation on other bmx messageboards reflects the idea that you moderate threads too strictly.
This is true. Not just bmx related stuff, or porn, snuff, or whatever, but stupid things like people making fun of or arguing with you. I haven't noticed it in a long time, but first impressions definitely stick around.
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I try to let the companies speak for themselves when I know they frequent the place. I talked to Ryan quite often and was waiting for him to make an announcement.
This would work out fine except in a case where a company is trying to hide something from its customers and will not post about it. Obviously that wasn't the case for RNC, but a 'filter' of relevant news posted by normal members seems faulty in a case where the public needs to know something important or shady about a said company.
exactly. you could've at least quoting what he said from another site or some sort of evidence to back up your claims.
I am sure that I stated my knowledge was still speculation, but more factual than something pulled out of thin air. Furthermore, if the thread had been locked instead of deleted, I would have a reference to pull up.
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LOL OMG WUT IF MEATSPINNER CUMZ?
dude, if you made it so we had to log in to view the forums, then i'd be able to get on at school.
seriously, just do it for me for the next 3 days so i have something to do in in-school suspension.
OMG, in-school suspension...
soooo cool.
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some of you guys take this stuff waaaaaaaaaay to seriously.
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I am a member of about 5 forums that I post on regularly, and I have accounts at probably 20 other forums here and there. I have never come around a forum that was closed registration, except for bmxbored. Why does everyone think this is a good idea? Because bmxboard does it, it must be good?
for the last time everyone, this is not bmxboard, stop trying to make it that way.
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Yeah, what's wrong with 4000 prepubescent know-it-alls arguing over the same topic every three days?
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thats why we have moderators
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people need to understand that seldom do people pick on "noobs" simply because they're new.
When you join this place it is no different than joining any other circle of people in life. There are people that have been around, know each other and know how to kid around and get a long. When new people come in they see this and try to jump in on it. Sorry pal, no one knows you. Until you give me a reason to like you, I'm not going to assume you're a cool dude. I don't dislike people because they have a low post count, but no way am I going to treat them like I treat the people I've known for over seven years now. That's stupid.
I understand that and respect it. But i don't think that's the case most of the time. A lot of the members here are younger and don't really have a well developed since of manners yet ( I'd say i'm still on the curve aswell) So of course offencive or stupid comments are going to be made. But the way they are delt with are for the most part wrong. When a new member here does something "wrong" i guess you could say, They get bitch out and get an imature negative reaction( It is the internet so there will always be a bit of this) But who ever is offened should just be like "Hey that's not cool man I don't think you should be saying stuff like that"
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Yeah, what's wrong with 4000 prepubescent know-it-alls arguing over the same topic every three days?
Are you fucking serious? You're arguing the same 9-11 bullshit you CONSTANTLY argue on here in your fucking BIKECHECK. Practice what you preach. The worst part is that you seem like a relatively decent guy outside of your constant 9-11 shit. We all know what you believe, it happened 7 years ago and most people have made their mind up on the situation, you arent converting anyone, just stop.
Also, if bmxboard is so superior, why do you even come here? I have an account over there and I dont use it. Why? Because I like bikeguide more. Its like youre going to a restaurant that you dont like over and over again. Why go back?
edit: so this was in my User CP
And you've still never showed me one reason to believe your side of the 9/11 arguement-and namecalling doesn't count. Sweet internet persona, dude you're totally making me look like an asspiracy theorist. Rock on. AMERICA!! PATRIOTISM!!!
You just dont get it do you? I dont think Ive ever even argued with you about it. I believe it was terrorists, you think it was the government. Fine. I dont dislike you for that, everyone has differing opinions. I have FRIENDS who would probably agree with you. You just let the shit consume you to the point of insanity. Its all you have to offer, you bring nothing here but that bullshit and you're so goddamn sure of yourself. As if everyone else is an idiot and King Alaskan with his infinite wisdom is up on the mountaintop looking down on all us "mindless sheep just believing the government" I dont mindlessly accept what the government says and I dont mindlessly accept what some bmx rider from Alaska says. Come back to reality.
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I understand that and respect it. But i don't think that's the case most of the time. A lot of the members here are younger and don't really have a well developed since of manners yet ( I'd say i'm still on the curve aswell) So of course offencive or stupid comments are going to be made. But the way they are delt with are for the most part wrong. When a new member here does something "wrong" i guess you could say, They get bitch out and get an imature negative reaction( It is the internet so there will always be a bit of this) But who ever is offened should just be like "Hey that's not cool man I don't think you should be saying stuff like that"
That kid will just come back with something stupid in return.
It's been tried before, and it doesn't work. The faceless internet is such an easy place for a teen ego to go out of control.
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LOL OMG WUT IF MEATSPINNER CUMZ?
dude, if you made it so we had to log in to view the forums, then i'd be able to get on at school.
seriously, just do it for me for the next 3 days so i have something to do in in-school suspension.
You have to log in to view the hate forum, go to that forum direct, that might work.
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King Alaskan with his infinite wisdom is up on the mountaintop looking down on all us "mindless sheep just believing the government"
Way to blow things out of proportion. This is the internet, I'm allowed to argue about whatever I want whenever I want. I've got like ten gangs.
I think the more important issue here, is wat collor shud I paint ma sproket?
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This is true. Not just bmx related stuff, or porn, snuff, or whatever, but stupid things like people making fun of or arguing with you. I haven't noticed it in a long time, but first impressions definitely stick around.
See the rules, if you don't like them, leave.
If people are pissed at me for that, there is not much I can do about it. Probably 80% of what people blame me for is actually the staff. I think I have only ever banned one person for arguing with me and only because he got way out of hand. The rest of the time, the staff steps in before I do.
People want and expect this place to be BmxBoard without registration or think they can do as they please. I have no idea why they think that, but they do.
This would work out fine except in a case where a company is trying to hide something from its customers and will not post about it. Obviously that wasn't the case for RNC, but a 'filter' of relevant news posted by normal members seems faulty in a case where the public needs to know something important or shady about a said company.
Because there have been a few times where me allowing rumors has created problems. How far did the Dave Mirra on steroids rumor go? All the way to Haro and Dave Mirra, and then back to me. Not exactly the best way for a major corporation or industry heavyweight to be introduced to your site.
This was not the only example. Another member created a fake ad for Odyssey, and another for Albes. It clogged Albes phone lines for hours.
What you see as possible fact, is only a rumor until confirmed and can effect peoples livelihood.
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Just noticed; "Most users ever online was 706, Yesterday at 07:31 PM."
Why do we have so many damn lurkers? 300+ all the time.
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Yeah, what's wrong with 4000 prepubescent know-it-alls arguing over the same topic every three days?
I was going to write something pointing out the extreme irony in this quote, but PatriotBMX pretty much summed it up perfectly a couple of posts above me.
If you don't like how BikeGuide is run, what's stopping you from leaving and making your own site? Seriously, I've done it before and it's not that complicated.
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Way to blow things out of proportion. This is the internet, I'm allowed to argue about whatever I want whenever I want. I've got like ten gangs.
I think the more important issue here, is wat collor shud I paint ma sproket?
Websites are private property, technically, you don't have freedom of speech. You only have the rights granted to you by the sites owner.
A bit of advice, ease on the conspiracy stuff. That shit is a rabbit hole with no exit. The further you go the crazier it gets. Go too far and you will find yourself in a very different world, trust me on this.
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Way to blow things out of proportion. This is the internet, I'm allowed to argue about whatever I want whenever I want. I've got like ten gangs.
I think the more important issue here, is wat collor shud I paint ma sproket?
I understand you can argue about whatever you want and you choose to only argue about 9-11. Im just saying it gets old as fuck and its as bad as the wat color or will slam/triumphs/whatever feel like slam/triumph/whatever or how can i slamz wheel threads. Believe me, I would have no problem going through and deleting all that shit but then I feel like a dick. I feel like Im censoring content, which I only do when its in violation of the rules Sheepdog has laid out. We are actually working on curbing the constant bullshit from people not searching and posting the same threads, especially in the bikeshop. Its hard to do and closing the forums wouldnt help. If you have some ideas/answers, please share.
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Just noticed; "Most users ever online was 706, Yesterday at 07:31 PM."
Why do we have so many damn lurkers? 300+ all the time.
Damn!
I noticed we were close to the record last night, did not expect that though.
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Lurkers are people who use the search function properly.
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Lurkers are people who use the search function properly.
Or get scared off by the jerks.
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i think you should close it for a while,there have been a lot of idiots joining posting spam,then getting banned.
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i think you should close it for a while,there have been a lot of idiots joining posting spam,then getting banned.
So if they are banned, what difference does it make now?
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i think you should close it for a while,there have been a lot of idiots joining posting spam,then getting banned.
you should look at yourself with what you used to be posting in the sell/swap forum before I stopped being lazy and looked in there.
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you should look at yourself with what you used to be posting in the sell/swap forum before I stopped being lazy and looked in there.
Oh,hey let me rip you off and see how you like it,you down for it?
I was told he was legit had refs so i sent first,and by the way i got the phone number for his police station and will be calling them very shortly
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Oh,hey let me rip you off and see how you like it,you down for it?
I was told he was legit had refs so i sent first even tho i had more refs,is it a hobby for you picking on kids on the internet?
na man, i'm just as guilty as anyone else, I made a thread about the fresh prince theme song.
All i'm saying is don't count yourself out from the spam side of things. We all do it.
I don't purchase parts on the net.
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na man, i'm just as guilty as anyone else, I made a thread about the fresh prince theme song.
All i'm saying is don't count yourself out from the spam side of things. We all do it.
I don't purchase parts on the net.
I know we all spam,but i dont make a thread saying,your a worhtless ...... and just tlak crap in the thread,like that kid that made one in the bike gallery
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I understand that and respect it. But i don't think that's the case most of the time. A lot of the members here are younger and don't really have a well developed since of manners yet ( I'd say i'm still on the curve aswell) So of course offencive or stupid comments are going to be made. But the way they are delt with are for the most part wrong. When a new member here does something "wrong" i guess you could say, They get bitch out and get an imature negative reaction( It is the internet so there will always be a bit of this) But who ever is offened should just be like "Hey that's not cool man I don't think you should be saying stuff like that"
How are these young, immature comments treated when thrown around in such a diverse group in real life?
I'd say similarly. Message boards are that different from the real world. Sure, people's personalities may be complete 180s of their outside selves, but the basic dynamic is there.
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If some people said on here to those same people in real life, some people would get an ass whooping.
Everyone puts on a brave front on the internet.
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I'll fight anyone in the world, anytime.
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people accusing sheep of moderating too strictly suprises me-ive never felt in any cases that bikeguide is overmoderated at all. maybe its just because i dont make stupid pointless threads which get deleted, im not sure....
i know that i like reading and posting on here because the general high quality of conversation and debate, and because the common sense and thought demonstrated here tends to be far beyond that of most other bmx forums ive seen. the large userbase also ensures that there is always fresh material online as well. as i see it, bikeguide is doing well and the mods are doing a good enough job to keep idiocy to a minimum
i think the no free email addresses for sign up deters most of the potential idiots and joke posters anyway as they cant be arsed, so there is no real need to close membership
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I'm not going anywhere. I don't come here much, but one day I'll get shoulder surgery and be back as much as I surf silverfishlongboarding now.
Hmm, I wonder how much lighter bikes are since I paid attention to BMX. Are we down to 20lbs and 24spoke wheels yet?
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Hmm, I wonder how much lighter bikes are since I paid attention to BMX. Are we down to 20lbs and 24spoke wheels yet?
A few have been trying to do 24, but yes, a few have broken 20 pounds.
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I love you Sheep, keep up the rocking forum, it's my fav :)
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Patriot, without stepping on any toes, what exactly is a terrorist? The war on terrorism is quite similar to the war on drugs, in that the enemy...doesn't really exist? I mean really, I have more faith in humanity than I do the US government (who have an awful track record, conspiracies aside.) And I guess my point is, who the fuck commits such hanus acts on the sole merit of "striking fear into hearts?" Afaic, in the capitalist world, perhaps the human is tainted by the bottom line...but a taste for cultivating fear? No. I cant say for sure "who" did what, but if you draw all of your information from one source (or other sources that are still being fed by that one source) then you are not evaluating the situation properly. /sidetrack
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I'll come here as long as I have something to come here about.
So...yeah.
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people accusing sheep of moderating too strictly suprises me-ive never felt in any cases that bikeguide is overmoderated at all. maybe its just because i dont make stupid pointless threads which get deleted, im not sure....
i think the no free email addresses for sign up deters most of the potential idiots and joke posters anyway as they cant be arsed, so there is no real need to close membership
I agree, I love this site.
I went to 'the come up' for a day and that place is a joke.
Here I can actually learn about new stuff and get help if I need it.
I'm glad this site hasn't turned into a "1st!!!", "N/H" , "1234" forum.
This website is great for what it is.
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I agree, I love this site.
I went to 'the come up' for a day and that place is a joke.
Here I can actually learn about new stuff and get help if I need it.
I'm glad this site hasn't turned into a "1st!!!", "N/H" , "1234" forum.
This website is great for what it is.
Same I go to bmxboard, and try sign up, but it won't let me.