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The Street => The Bike Shop => Topic started by: dude... on April 14, 2015, 07:46:18 PM
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because noone rides anymore, yall was slow off the mark with some new coaster offerings
firstly wtp helix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGRzD2a20y8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGRzD2a20y8)
(http://www.databmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/WTP_helix_960x540_slider_08.jpg)
essentially another yuhub bastard offspring (though that shell looks to have some blowfish (http://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/screenshot_20140513213417_blowup.png) dna)
but that 3 point clutch resistance drag thingymajig seems to me like it could be a vast improvement
(https://www.3ride.com/images/products/bmx/Hub%20Parts/WTP-HELIX-AXL-HRDWR.jpg)
with the drag spread across 3 bearings, they might end up not jamming up like they normally do and getting ground down as quickly. shame the hubshell is a hog so youd have to be all weird and awkward about your friends knowing you were riding it
next up the profile z coaster
(http://p.vitalbmx.com/photos/forums/2014/09/10/35327/s1200_Profile_Z_Coaster.jpg)
it really sums up the current state of bg that everyones not losing their shit about this. its profile, but its a new design, but AMERICUH, but wobble etc
http://bmxunion.com/daily/profile-racing-z-coaster-slack-cam-ring-videos/ (http://bmxunion.com/daily/profile-racing-z-coaster-slack-cam-ring-videos/)
http://bmxunion.com/daily/profile-racing-why-the-z-coaster/ (http://bmxunion.com/daily/profile-racing-why-the-z-coaster/)
when i first saw cam rings i facepalmed, cos firstly its annoying enough to have to buy extra parts to change the slack. added to this profile small parts/spares etc cost a fuckin fortune outside of the states so on top of the extortionate price this hub will cost alone, your going to need to shell out even more to play around with the slack (not such an issue in the US where such things are more competatively priced)
it looks like a decent mechanism from what i can see though (which isnt that much on the vids), though im not quite sure how the drag works. good point about the clicking too mr degroot, that does give a decent indication of whether its engaged or not which is useful. it may drown out some of the squeak from your naan bread gum tyres as you do fashion squeaker skids though-you have been warned
two main questions about this hub
1. whos gonna be the first to buy one, take it apart and take lots of pictures for us?
2. whos going to be the first to rip off the mechanism and start printing their name on clones using the same internals?
it does look a lot more reliable than the yuhubs, but i dont trust company blurbs so the strength of the design and reliability will have to be determined once this hub is released into the wild
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Yuhub/khe clone? Not newsworthy.
The new Profile coaster has been discussed in another thread. It could be promising but wobbly.
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I want to know who the "us" consists of haha
Lol at naan bread tires
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I actually really want to try out the Profile hub. I might be willing to throw down and buy one when it finally comes out.
I don't know why WTP ended up releasing the Helix, when it's really just a clone, and they already have the Eclat Blind and the Salt Plus Trapez.
I'm riding an Ezra hub that's the same thing as the Salt Freecoaster and it's lasted me way longer than any other coaster I've had and it hasn't broken anything yet. I just don't see the need for another clone coaster when they've already got 2 other coasters within the same company.
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I haven't read anything about the wtp clone is it just that or have they done work to it? Besides that I like the ugly hubshell
Not really interested in the profile just because profile are so overpriced here as you know. And I need to be buying parts for a bike I ride once a month like a hole in the head
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watch the video and look how theyve done the resistance mechanism. the 2 ball/2 grub screw system is crap, i reckon their 3 ball system would balance out the drag a lot better, and maybe prevent the balls from grinding flat like they do in normal yuhubs. think about it
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As the others said its already been discussed, you are months too late!
Regarding the Helix im more surprised that they put that under WTP and not under Salt and used the Trapez as the WTP one, maybe they didnt have enough confidence in the Trapez. The Helix itself hold very little interest to me. I can only see the new spring as anything new, and I never had a problem with the springs in a KHE clone.
Im interested in the Profile, but wont put any money into it.
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I think the profile hub looks pretty cool, its a shame there is no videos on it explaining the internals. I only realy ride trails though, so both are of little interest to me
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http://vocalbmx.com/Product_Pages/HitchhikerRear/HitchhikerRear.html
Switchable cassette to freecoaster. vocal is custom riders parts company, a shop that's been going since 1984 in the UK.
Not much on the workings here but it has good reviews, it just hasn't had a song and dance made about it
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http://vocalbmx.com/Product_Pages/HitchhikerRear/HitchhikerRear.html
Switchable cassette to freecoaster. vocal is custom riders parts company, a shop that's been going since 1984 in the UK.
Not much on the workings here but it has good reviews, it just hasn't had a song and dance made about it
Pretty sure(as in, 98.9% positive) that that is an Ezra coaster with a custom shell.
Does anyone here have a Blind hub that actually works?
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As the others said its already been discussed, you are months too late!
jeez louise, i know theres been threads/discussions about the profile zcoaster already, but theyve kept the internals under wraps the whole time til now, i thought people might care. apparently not ;D
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As the others said its already been discussed, you are months too late!
jeez louise, i know theres been threads/discussions about the profile zcoaster already, but theyve kept the internals under wraps the whole time til now, i thought people might care. apparently not ;D
Everyone knew it was a retractable pawl design with some kind of slack adjustment disc, none of this news is new. Sorry man.
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its a lot neater than the ezra one though. its a similar concept but it looks like a different approach to any other retractable pawl designs, with far fewer small parts in there, hence potentially less to go wrong
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Switchable cassette to freecoaster. vocal is custom riders parts company, a shop that's been going since 1984 in the UK.
Always seen Vocal as a catalogue part company, and as someone said Im quite sure its just a copy of the Ezra.
Im very interested in the Z-coaster. I had put a lot of hopes into the Blind hub but was bummed when it came to the local shop. The FC guy that worked there said it felt like shit and had a lot of drag. Tried out the new WTP Envy with it on it and it indeed felt like crap :(.
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does anybody know if a LHD ezra clone exists yet?
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Switchable cassette to freecoaster. vocal is custom riders parts company, a shop that's been going since 1984 in the UK.
Always seen Vocal as a catalogue part company, and as someone said Im quite sure its just a copy of the Ezra.
Im very interested in the Z-coaster. I had put a lot of hopes into the Blind hub but was bummed when it came to the local shop. The FC guy that worked there said it felt like shit and had a lot of drag. Tried out the new WTP Envy with it on it and it indeed felt like crap :(.
I talked to Mason about it and it's a bit different. But I know not so much, haha.
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I've rode the Profile one a few times.... the whole pedaling back just to disengage it is way to weird for me.
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does anybody know if a LHD ezra clone exists yet?
http://www.danscomp.com/products-PARTS/429170/Saltplus_Trapez_Freecoaster_Hub.html
Also, note below
(http://s18.postimg.org/cuadvgujt/Profile_Z.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Fuhhhh that's expensive...
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I've rode the Profile one a few times.... the whole pedaling back just to disengage it is way to weird for me.
This kills it for me plus profile plus that price lol
Odyssey clutch sounds good right about now
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I've rode the Profile one a few times.... the whole pedaling back just to disengage it is way to weird for me.
That's how every coaster works. You always need to back pedal to get the full amount of slack.
If anyone is interested:-
As far as I can make out, the Z-coaster works by having the pawls have an extra little "leg" on the inside that sticks back behind the pivot. Inside the driver there is the ring with three cams on it that can push these legs out to retract the pawls against their normal springs. This ring has an internal stop that dictates the "slack" and this runs on the outside of some sort of drag element on the axle that I cant see much of.
I am not going to make any judgement on how well or otherwise this will work because I will get too much shit for it but I hope this is informative. Sorry if I got it wrong and there is something else going on.
:)
G.
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does anybody know if a LHD ezra clone exists yet?
http://www.danscomp.com/products-PARTS/429170/Saltplus_Trapez_Freecoaster_Hub.html
Also, note below
(http://s18.postimg.org/cuadvgujt/Profile_Z.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Fuhhhh that's expensive...
its a similar price to the elites.
minis are $300AU over here so i imagine this coaster will be like $450 or summat
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word on the street is that there is another company about to get into the non-clone coaster game... but could still be a few months out. It's an exciting time for non-backpedalers.
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Holy shit you got to be kidding me. That's outrageously priced.
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If it actually works maybe it isn't a bad price. I've yet to have a problem with my Nankai 3/8 bamboo. No pegs of course. I'm sure the 14mm NYB hubs would be great with pegs. They're looseball but I almost never have to work on mine, and when/if I do it is easy and quick. I think they're overlooked for how good they are.
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If it actually works maybe it isn't a bad price. I've yet to have a problem with my Nankai 3/8 bamboo. No pegs of course. I'm sure the 14mm NYB hubs would be great with pegs. They're looseball but I almost never have to work on mine, and when/if I do it is easy and quick. I think they're overlooked for how good they are.
They don't come in LHD, what makes them suck for me.
Does anyone here have a Blind hub that actually works?
Yes, absolutely. Mine has been working great. My driver cone nut split in half, but that's it, got a free one by the distribution in Germany. Other than that it's sick, no problems at all. I don't ride pegs anymore but I think it would work great with pegs, too, because there are guards for both sides out there. I've done some stupid axle grind variation and it holds up to probably any abuse I took it through.
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Bwahahahaha that Profile price...
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At that price I expect Chad Degroot to come and do my fakies for me.
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I've rode the Profile one a few times.... the whole pedaling back just to disengage it is way to weird for me.
That's how every coaster works. You always need to back pedal to get the full amount of slack.
Not like this one. I've rode a ton of coasters, this one is different for sure. Once you ride one you'll understand. If you hop on a yuhub style coaster you can do a curb endo and roll back with out having to get crazy with trying to get it to disengage, not this guy. Albeit weird as shit, it works very efficiently and is crazy light.
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$560 AUD for the profile z coaster. Can't see it being that popular in Australia.
http://www.strictlybmx.com/product/view/6253/profile-z-coaster-female-freecoaster-hub
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my friend is getting his z-coaster wheel this week....can't wait to see it in person
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$560 AUD for the profile z coaster. Can't see it being that popular in Australia.
http://www.strictlybmx.com/product/view/6253/profile-z-coaster-female-freecoaster-hub
people will buy it, theyre used to paying those sort of prices. US made frames are $600 here
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$560 AUD for the profile z coaster. Can't see it being that popular in Australia.
http://www.strictlybmx.com/product/view/6253/profile-z-coaster-female-freecoaster-hub
people will buy it
Doubt it will fly off shelves. Most of the guys into Profile stuff are park riders, not the street/tech guys. The price is high but when you look at the exchange rate for credit cards and add shipping it is still cheaper than the States.
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But guyz it's also an elite hub
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Thinking about getting it when/if it is released in LHD.
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I heard that Merrit are releasing a non-clone coaster, but IIRC there only changing the bearings around...
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I heard that Merrit are releasing a non-clone coaster, but IIRC there only changing the bearings around...
I feel like every time something like this gets mentioned it never leaves the prototype or drawing board stage.
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https://instagram.com/p/14OAMpzMI2/?taken-by=themerged
I don't know, it seems to be a prototype, it says that it might have a new system entirely, but I doubt it somehow...
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the merged speculated that it might be a new internal design due to the shell shape which means nothing cos the merged is just an industry brown nose blog. maybe you can try one when the tories give you your 3 grand
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but I doubt it somehow...
yes, I know it means nothing; that's why I wrote that at the end
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I think the shell looks to small for a KHE style coaster.
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Hopefully it's not the éclat bullshit since Brennan has WTP ties.
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Looks like a KHE-esque coaster that might have some new internals, as in new design of clutch and driver to make it slimmer.
I doubt that Merrit has the economical incentive or drive to be innovative with coasters.
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Hopefully it's not the éclat bullshit since Brennan has WTP ties.
Éclat bullshit? My Blind is working better than any other coaster I've ridden (KHE and Ezra).
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Hopefully it's not the éclat bullshit since Brennan has WTP ties.
Éclat bullshit? My Blind is working better than any other coaster I've ridden (KHE and Ezra).
I am happy for you, I really am. We arent selling them any more due to how problematic they are.
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I am happy for you, I really am. We arent selling them any more due to how problematic they are.
Even after they fixed them?
My local said they were shit, then they started riding them themselves when Eclat came out saying they messed up production and sent out updatet internals.
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I am happy for you, I really am. We arent selling them any more due to how problematic they are.
Even after they fixed them?
My local said they were shit, then they started riding them themselves when Eclat came out saying they messed up production and sent out updatet internals.
Yep. Strangely enough, the ones that came stock on the WTP Envy completes seem to be just fine.
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Link to merit coaster info
http://bmxunion.com/daily/product-merritt-final-drive-freecoaster/
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The cost is 569.99 in from transition in canada. Same amount as a USA made frame.
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I am happy for you, I really am. We arent selling them any more due to how problematic they are.
Even after they fixed them?
My local said they were shit, then they started riding them themselves when Eclat came out saying they messed up production and sent out updatet internals.
Yep. Strangely enough, the ones that came stock on the WTP Envy completes seem to be just fine.
Can you please name some of the problems you had/saw? I really don't want to mess shit up, so I'll try to keep spare parts for the coaster in my tool bag (for example the spring thing that shit the bed on some).
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I am happy for you, I really am. We arent selling them any more due to how problematic they are.
Even after they fixed them?
My local said they were shit, then they started riding them themselves when Eclat came out saying they messed up production and sent out updatet internals.
Yep. Strangely enough, the ones that came stock on the WTP Envy completes seem to be just fine.
Can you please name some of the problems you had/saw? I really don't want to mess shit up, so I'll try to keep spare parts for the coaster in my tool bag (for example the spring thing that shit the bed on some).
Honestly, its pretty much just the springs breaking. Unfortunately, sometimes the springs break and the debris will fuck up the pawls as well.
If you take your driver out, do you see the 'thinning' of the spring over the pawls and the gaps in the driver for the LHD pawls?