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Posting bootleg videos.
sheepdog:
--- Quote from: favouritegame ---I don't know exactly where to begin here, but it's pretty easy to see where it's going to end.
You wan't to keep this place free of disruptions, free of illegally posted videos, and thats fair enough. But you can't expect everyone to play along, and you can't expect everyone to just stomach the fact that people are being told what to do by some words on a computer screen.
I don't see what my age has anything to do with this, other than the fact that you obviously think i'm some stupid 16 year old kid. I'm 22, and more than capable of expressing my own opinions, and if you don't like that, so be it. I'd rather go fuck myself than be apart of something that someone pushes to be "theirs". The whole "I'm the Boss" thing isn't going to get you anywhere, and the last thing i want to see, is somewhere in bmx where kids are forced into thinking one way, and saying another, because they don't want to get banned by the 'almighty' mods, or lose their rep. Fuck that.
But thats slightly off topic.
Try that vice versa - what gives them the right to steal music? essentially, thats money for nothing. right?
Nothing gives me the right to steal a video, nothing gives me the right to speed in my car, to swear, or to download music off the internet either. Infact, i have no rights to do anything.
I love bmx, and the industry behind it, and it's media power isn't going to go anywhere sitting idle with everyone milling thoughts about wether or not someones going to sue them. the more companies realise the fact that after a certain amount of time, their videos become redundant, they run out, and become a piece of history, cause face it, BMX videos aren't produced in huge runs, like the latest Hollywood films nowadays. They need all the exposure they can get. I'd almost go as far to put it that these posted videos are almost as important to the growth of bmx as the x-games on tv.
Television is quickly becoming a defunct resource as kids are spending hours and hours on the internet (read: myspace) What if, bmx was able to harness the thoughts/intrests of these kids. yeah? shit would grow. If some kids saw say, The Animal video on google, and they get real psyched on their shit, they'll hunt Animal stuff and get into that aspect. cause they're feeling it. I don't want to endorse the illegal bootlegging of copyrighted material, thats wrong, but for bmx videos, which most are un-copyrighted, some need to look at it in a different perspective. instead of just the bad light. More opportunity could come of the 'foul' act than some think.
I hate to compare to skateboarding, but i can count at least into the twenties of people that i know that have gotten into skating cause of a downloaded version of Girl - Yeah Right! on the net, one of which is now a frequent getting coverage in magazines. What if that happens to bike riding??
For instance, i saw the first Animal video online, i was then psyched on it, so i went and bought the second, and the third, cause i wanted to see that shit in high definition, not 320 x 240 and pixelated. makes sense huh? I took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Good for me, good for BMX.
I don't have any knowledge about the outside world? Or the laws and government? You obviously are unaware of my intrests, and life experiences. Have you delved into my psyche'? ahh, i don't fucking think so. until then, perhaps re-arrange you're approach.
I'm over this topic, say what you will of that.
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Hmm, I was only off about 3 years... Who would have thought... :rolleyes:
Anyone who does not play along, gets banned. What do you expect. That is what it all boils down to. It is not a choice for me, I either do this or BG gets shut down.
As for companies stealing music, as I said, just because they steal it, that does not give you the right to steal it as well. Again, 2 wromgs do not make a right. You may not have the right to speed, but you do have the FREEDOM (not right) to drive a car, and you can download songs legally if you look around.
By the way, many large companeis have lawyers on retainer, just in case, and often run EVERYTHING past legal before making a statement or publish anything, why? Because they can be sued so easily.
You can try and justify it all you want , I have heard all the slogans before. The simple truth is that it is wrong. No matter how you justify it, it is theft. Show me how downloadinga video is not theft and I will side with you, but just because it is old and lost value does not mean it is worthless.
And sorry, but 22 does not exactly imply a world of knowledge. In fact that is not far off the age where people peak in arrogance.
Cat's Pajamas:
--- Quote from: sheepdog ---Just because a company steals the music, what gives you the right to steal the video?
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--- Quote from: sheepdog ---Karma is a bitch.
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kirby:
I'm kind of torn here... Sheep does run the place and what not, and we don't have much choice other then to deal with his decisions and what not...
But I've honestly bought a fair amount of videos due to pirated copies I have seen...
And just for the record.... Age isn't the diffinitive charactersitic of knowledge.. It doesn't matter how old, or young you are... I've met 18 year old kids that know far more then many people twice, or even thrice their age...
With the age of the internet... Information is so easilly accessable (good and bad in both ways as noted by this thread) that one can learn about most anything at their own pace... It's no longer dictated to them by a teacher, or scholar, it's waiting there, at their fingertips.
Oh yes.... A post script for this post and a very likely possibility if the market of labels gets their way: How long till it's illegal to whistle/hum/sing a copywrited song? Or is it, possibly, already illegal?
Fuck...
Whatever, just don't post links to shit on here and keep yourself out of trouble.
Deal with it.
sheepdog:
--- Quote from: kirby ---
Whatever, just don't post links to shit on here and keep yourself out of trouble.
Deal with it.
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Exactly my point, the host does not want it, therefore we have to deal with it.
As for the age thing, I could easily tell how old he was based on his views on doing illegal things. Most older people will not try to justify it like he did.
Phillip Frentsworth:
The one thing I will fully agree with him on is the stealing of music. If someone is going to cut corners and bypass paying for (potentially) thousands of dollars worth of music rights, I have no problem with bypassing paying $30 for the video.
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