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Steerer Tube Threading/Compression Bolt Size and Fork Failure
weedbix:
Let's assume Stampy is a machine in a factory that makes heaps of other forks. How does that negate the results in any way?
G:
--- Quote from: LayLow on February 05, 2015, 02:55:49 PM ---
It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?
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Capitals just to be clear, not shouting :)
1. NO OTHER BRAND OF BMX FORK is made in that factory.
2. I personally devised and designed all the test rigs and test protocols used in the Stampy tests.
3. The guy setting up all the tests is our guy in Taiwan, he is 6foot, rides BMX (really well) and a super super nice guy. Yes he is "asian" lots of people there are, do you have a problem with that? He does NOT work for the factory and he does not manufacture the parts.
4. ALL the forks are clearly marked as made in Taiwan. The factory who makes them doesn't work for any other BMX brands, but they do make super high end Steel, Titanium and Aluminium road and mountainbikes. The capabilities to make the forks in the USA dont really exist, we would have to cut a LOT of beneficial features. Getting hold of seamless tube is hard enough, let alone having it custom drawn.
5. Yes, the Stampy tests would ideally be performed by an independent 3rd party, you are welcome to set yourself up as one. (virtually) No bike parts are independently tested like this, even helmets are "self certified". Any of our competitors are welcome to duplicate our tests, but all they have actually done is run the (standard) CEN tests which are pathetic.
:)
G.
LayLow:
--- Quote from: G on February 06, 2015, 11:54:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: LayLow on February 05, 2015, 02:55:49 PM ---
It's funny to me that people actually buy into Stampy. How much do you think Odyssey paid to have a sticker slapped on someone's machine in a factory that makes every other brands forks? Notice how you never see the face of the person? It's so you don't see the tiny little Asian factory worker. Makes me laugh that people assume Odyssey is made in the USA. That's almost disrespectful as isnt G from the UK?
--- End quote ---
Capitals just to be clear, not shouting :)
1. NO OTHER BRAND OF BMX FORK is made in that factory.
2. I personally devised and designed all the test rigs and test protocols used in the Stampy tests.
3. The guy setting up all the tests is our guy in Taiwan, he is 6foot, rides BMX (really well) and a super super nice guy. Yes he is "asian" lots of people there are, do you have a problem with that? He does NOT work for the factory and he does not manufacture the parts.
4. ALL the forks are clearly marked as made in Taiwan. The factory who makes them doesn't work for any other BMX brands, but they do make super high end Steel, Titanium and Aluminium road and mountainbikes. The capabilities to make the forks in the USA dont really exist, we would have to cut a LOT of beneficial features. Getting hold of seamless tube is hard enough, let alone having it custom drawn.
5. Yes, the Stampy tests would ideally be performed by an independent 3rd party, you are welcome to set yourself up as one. (virtually) No bike parts are independently tested like this, even helmets are "self certified". Any of our competitors are welcome to duplicate our tests, but all they have actually done is run the (standard) CEN tests which are pathetic.
:)
G.
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Much respect, G. Much respect!
LayLow:
--- Quote from: dude... on February 05, 2015, 06:35:09 PM ---also they have a great warrenty, and always have. thats the real clincher
their forks break, ive broken some, ive seen plenty of other people break them too, but theyre still deffos one of the stronger forks out there and yeah if you break em you should be able to get the replaced for free
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The lifetime warranty in BMX is one of the worst marketing ploys in history. Do you honestly think a piece of steel should last a lifetime? More than a year?
Not only does it make people assume a fork should last forever, it kills shops.
Think about it like this... to complete with Odysseys marketing, every brand now has to slap on a lifetime warranty whether the company is doing it because they believe they will last that long or not . Now instead of shops getting a resale on forks a few years down the line, they will be handling warranty claims for little Timmy.
If you've ever worked at or supported a core or small shop, you know that every bit of income matters. BMX retail is based of consumable products, shit breaks or wears out.... buy a new one.
Imagine if you said "lifetime warranty on PC pedals." While you know that product surely wont last that long, imagine how many you can sell using that claim.
carnage:
--- Quote from: LayLow on February 09, 2015, 12:03:34 PM ---
Think about it like this... to complete with Odysseys marketing, every brand now has to slap on a lifetime warranty whether the company is doing it because they believe they will last that long or not . Now instead of shops getting a resale on forks a few years down the line, they will be handling warranty claims for little Timmy.
If you've ever worked at or supported a core or small shop, you know that every bit of income matters. BMX retail is based of consumable products, shit breaks or wears out.... buy a new one.
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yeah odyssey's business model of investing all that cash designing, manufacturing, testing and shipping their forks just for crash replacements and not to sell them so they can deny lbs business is pure win.
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