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rrose:
This whole robbery thing that keeps getting brought up, you know that it has nothing to do with the murder right? And that the owner of the store, nor the employee called 911... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft
Some other important links/facts: http://land-of-propaganda.tumblr.com/post/102057205628
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2849133/PIERS-MORGAN-farce-Ferguson-Darren-Wilson-6ft-4in-210lb-five-year-old-history.html (Though Piers Morgan sucks, he says some decent things here)
Again, this is more then just an issue about Wilson killing Brown, but it's an issue of race.
barcodebilly:
It shouldn't be. If you take away the fact he was black and you even rule out he was at the store stealing shit, the guy who had the altercation with wilson chose to confront him and payed the price. No it shouldn't have escalated to him getting killed but that's just how things played out.
condrbkr:
I work at my parent's liquor store in a not so well off neighborhood these days, I can tell you right now the reason the owner or the employees didn't call the cops is cause altercations like what Micheal Brown did at the store are a daily occurrence. People will flex their muscles from time to time to get what they want, a 2 dollar cigarillo isn't really worth the fight. Customers like Micheal Brown are a dime a dozen, in poor neighborhoods being a thug will get you left alone. If people were to fight over things like that, they'd be much more dead people.
Everyone is a bit of 'thug', it's just how it is, even the kindest people will put up a hard shell. There has been a more than a few instances where someone stole from us and my fellow employee caught them and if they give them a bit of lip, he just beat his ass and threatened to shoot him. People have to know the store is not to be messed or people will be coming here just to steal and possible robbery cause they here someone in the neighborhood is soft. Plus calling the cops isn't an option unless someone is dead or literally robbed the store in gunpoint, in a neighborhood that distrusts cops, it's terrible for business.
Even most the lawful are wary of the cops. There is a lady that comes in, her husband was shot and killed. They labeled his death as 'gang violence' when she knows for a fact he stopped running with those people. I guess there is a feeling that the police don't give the innocent real justice and they feel like their voice isn't heard. If the police wants results, they get the results, even if it means cutting corners to do so. I guess to a lot of people Micheal Brown played out is another case of a police cutting corners to get what they wants.
I can't blame the cop either, I'm sure as a white boy in blue in a neighborhood like Ferguson is tough. There is so much pent up hatred by a few members of these communities for such people. That white boy is more or less fighting a war in a foreign land and it's gotta be scary as shit. In a community where violence is so prevalent, he did nothing different than what others do all the time. Unfortunately for Darren Wilson being the police, he is expected to hold himself to a higher standard, and rightfully so. The police are an easy scapegoat to the greater problems these communities face. Sure they do add a lot to it but its not as cut and dry as people would like to think.
Cole:
Thomas031, you're absolutely right. Why would you pull a lethal weapon when your intent isn't to cause harm? If a bad guy pulls a gun on you, you'll definitely shoot a warning shot, in a direction that may or may not ricochet off something and possibly injure/kill someone else. Get a fucking clue. In a LEO world, you pull your weapon, you're prepared to use it.
Gun law indoctrination? No, I live in Canada, nice try jackass. Far different gun laws than the US. You must have way more time at the range than I do, and more time doing simulations and practice run through of tactical scenarios, with live, blank and simmunition. You're right though, in a situation where you could potentially die, you're going to just disarm someone and shoot their foot so they can't keep coming at you, or shoot the gun out of their hands.
Maybe next time you decide to type some idiotic dribble, think and do some research into how police officers are trained this side of the pond. In no way can any place like Holland, UK, France, Italy, etc. Be compared to the US in terms of Law Enforcement. The way the US is vastly different from the rest of the world, and that's before taking the "race war" into account.
rrose:
--- Quote from: BilboBaggins on November 26, 2014, 10:27:14 PM ---It shouldn't be. If you take away the fact he was black and you even rule out he was at the store stealing shit, the guy who had the altercation with wilson chose to confront him and payed the price. No it shouldn't have escalated to him getting killed but that's just how things played out.
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Why shouldn't it be? It's another unarmed black teenager that got killed (by a cop) and no justice was served. Black people are still an oppressed group of people in the States as much as people want to think otherwise, and it's even more prevalent in the justice system you guys have going on down there. They have a right to be upset, and they have a right to make this very much about racism and to let people know that blacks lives matter.
I'll just leave this here though cause it has decent info on a bunch of stuff about this case (include the race thing) http://www.vox.com/cards/mike-brown-protests-ferguson-missouri/ferguson-protests-police-racism
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