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redface:
in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included.  example:  the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff

T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices.  so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff.  i'm not sure why that is confusing

brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced.  if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past

Cellmember:

--- Quote from: redface on November 20, 2014, 04:29:22 PM ---in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included.  example:  the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff

T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices.  so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff.  i'm not sure why that is confusing

brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced.  if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past

--- End quote ---

I hear what your saying, Flybikes have kept their prices the same with them not including brake accessories yet T1 opted for this route by not including them yet their prices have risen, the Ruben and Hickerson are made in the same factory as Fly ? I doesn't make sense it just shows me they wanted to increase their price and offer less if you will.

Edit: With the brake mount kits if I were them I'd ordered the same amount to keep the cost the same and just sell them separately, that way their not losing anything.

Narcoleptic Insomniac:
Are the removable brake mounts on the new t1 frames the same type used when fly first started doing removable around 2008 or so?

Cellmember:

--- Quote from: Narcoleptic Insomniac on November 20, 2014, 09:04:41 PM ---Are the removable brake mounts on the new t1 frames the same type used when fly first started doing removable around 2008 or so?

--- End quote ---

Yeah, Fly's Dylan mounts.

skateparkrider:

--- Quote from: Cellmember on November 20, 2014, 08:11:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: redface on November 20, 2014, 04:29:22 PM ---in a normal case where the frame cost hasn't increased for some other reason, the retail price of the frame goes down when the brake stuff is no longer included.  example:  the retail price of Fit and S&M frames dropped $15.00 when they started no longer including the brake stuff

T-1 and Federal, from what i recall, raised their wholesale prices.  so, subtract the brake stuff but increase frame costs means the frame retails for the same price without brake stuff as it did in the past when it included brake stuff.  i'm not sure why that is confusing

brake shit isn't free because it doesn't cost the brands $0.00 to have it produced.  if anything, if brands are ordering fewer brake mount kits, they might actually be paying more (per kit) for them now than in the past

--- End quote ---

I hear what your saying, Flybikes have kept their prices the same with them not including brake accessories yet T1 opted for this route by not including them yet their prices have risen, the Ruben and Hickerson are made in the same factory as Fly ? I doesn't make sense it just shows me they wanted to increase their price and offer less if you will.

Edit: With the brake mount kits if I were them I'd ordered the same amount to keep the cost the same and just sell them separately, that way their not losing anything.

--- End quote ---

You should probably send your application to T1.  Sounds like you got this bicycle company thing figured out. 

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