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--- Quote from: ssteinbr;3618721 ---.... The revenge rim is identical to the quadrant rim. ....
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I very much doubt that. If it is then we have some patent conflicts to sort out.
:)
G.
skateparkrider:
--- Quote from: Blue Streak;3618909 ---Jay over at S&M said they were in the 22" game for the long haul, so I'm betting that those rims will be made in 22" also. :cheers:
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That is awesome to hear. Their 22" is pretty awesome.
--- Quote from: Bunky;3619563 ---Ok, so I'm thinking I'm going to have to get a 22 inch bike... My only thing is the Holmes specs say it has a 14.1 back end. Is that in the middle of the dropouts? I'm riding a 21.5 Mutiny animist right now and I have the back end at about 14.5 right now and that feels too short. But the Animist has a BB height 1.7 above axle center line and the 22Holmes has a BB height 1.25 above axle center line, so I'm back and forth on whether or not the low bottom bracket will balance out the short back end for me.
Can someone with a 22holmes measure the back end for me and tell me how long it is with the axle all the way in the back of the dropouts (but still in), so that I can convince myself that I don't need to spend the money on a custom one with a longer rear end???
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Bunky- I bet you would dig the Holmes. If you like how your Model C rides this will probably be a fun bike for you as well.
cmc4130:
--- Quote from: Bunky;3619563 ---Ok, so I'm thinking I'm going to have to get a 22 inch bike... My only thing is the Holmes specs say it has a 14.1 back end. Is that in the middle of the dropouts? I'm riding a 21.5 Mutiny animist right now and I have the back end at about 14.5 right now and that feels too short. But the Animist has a BB height 1.7 above axle center line and the 22Holmes has a BB height 1.25 above axle center line, so I'm back and forth on whether or not the low bottom bracket will balance out the short back end for me.
Can someone with a 22holmes measure the back end for me and tell me how long it is with the axle all the way in the back of the dropouts (but still in), so that I can convince myself that I don't need to spend the money on a custom one with a longer rear end???
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--- Quote from: Bunky;3619573 ---I'm only 5-11 but after riding a Model C a bunch now short back ends feel like they loop out way too quick.
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Yes, the lower bb will balance out the shorter back end. But not just the bb . . . the larger diameter wheel will also factor in.
I say this because I've ridden/tested/experimented with a lot of builds and wheel sizes over the last several years... and even when bb height (relative to axles) and cs is the same, a bike will still pull up differently just based on the wheel size.
If you don't believe me, put some 20" wheels in your Model C and take it for a spin ! Better still (or maybe not!), get a pair of 22" wheels and 22" fork and run them in your Model C as a test. I set up a We The People Avenger (ripoff of Model C) like this. (Your rear brakes will not line up... unless you can somehow slot your dropout further forward and run brakes that can adjust the pads really far back):
Faction Zeitgeist 22" next to a We The People Avenger 24" with 22" wheels and 22" S&M fork.
Also, the InDust Cuatro 24" and the InDust 2ton 22" have similar cs length and bb rise, but you will feel a difference just based on the wheel size.
Bunky:
--- Quote from: cmc4130;3619724 ---Yes, the lower bb will balance out the shorter back end. But not just the bb . . . the larger diameter wheel will also factor in.
I say this because I've ridden/tested/experimented with a lot of builds and wheel sizes over the last several years... and even when bb height (relative to axles) and cs is the same, a bike will still pull up differently just based on the wheel size.
If you don't believe me, put some 20" wheels in your Model C and take it for a spin ! Better still (or maybe not!), get a pair of 22" wheels and 22" fork and run them in your Model C as a test. I set up a We The People Avenger (ripoff of Model C) like this. (Your rear brakes will not line up... unless you can somehow slot your dropout further forward and run brakes that can adjust the pads really far back):
Faction Zeitgeist 22" next to a We The People Avenger 24" with 22" wheels and 22" S&M fork.
Also, the InDust Cuatro 24" and the InDust 2ton 22" have similar cs length and bb rise, but you will feel a difference just based on the wheel size.
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I remember seeing pictures of your Avenger with 22 wheels on it somewhere and thinking it looked cool. Thanks for the info!
Bunky:
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Bunky- I bet you would dig the Holmes. If you like how your Model C rides this will probably be a fun bike for you as well.
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The custom 29er is in the works and I have pretty much all the parts for it except for the frame, which is still being built, I'm right on the verge of buying a SE Primetime complete and running it on the freewheel side, and I'm sooooo tempted to get a Holmes 22 kit. The only thing is I work for another 2 weeks straight and then only have 2 days off before I have to move to Raleigh and will be living in a guest room for a while until I find a place and wont have anywhere to stash the bikes. It looks like it will probably just be the Wave-C and me for a while.
I know it will probably be fun, I just wont have anywhere to build/stash the bike for a while.
Somebody get me an exact measurement on the back end of one of these things and help convince me that I should just do it!!!!!
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