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Birdmane:

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Are you in deep thought?

Small Member:

--- Quote from: wheelr;2907804 ---Small Member, I understand what you are saying but you seem to forget the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.  It is there to fight against a tyrannical government.  It's no surprise it is mainly the Dems who want to amend it.  They want to change the government toward a radically different model than what it was founded upon and many people won't stand for it.

The second has stood strong for years and sadly, many want to strip it away due to others reasons such as the failure to uphold a civil society and strictly enforce current laws.  Like mentioned before, all part of the "blame someone/something else/depend on the government" society some want to grow.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson

I never understand how so many can criticize the government on one topic and then go on to believe they always have our best interests in mind.  The federal government needs to shrink and state governments need more say in what their people can or cannot do.  California has strict gun control, people can move there if they don't agree with the majority in the state where they currently live.




I would be against it.  Again, we need to straighten out the current mess before we keep moving forward in the wrong direction.  It always makes me sick to see murderers and rapists get off with easy sentences and to then watch some question why crime is so high.

Our crime problem runs way deeper than the people's right to bear arms.
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I understand too your point of the 2nd Amendment being there to protect the other rights in the constitution. I suppose its necessary too, even if only as an idea to hold on to.



The fact remains that if the 2nd amendment was suddenly removed today, even through legislation, the gun culture wouldn't suddenly disappear in the United States.


I think my issue really revolves around peoples opposition to gun laws and how they use the 2nd amendment to oppose them.


I've always been an opponent of the second amendment based on the common interpretation of it.

So I guess I've got to change my argument a bit. I can't now necessarily say I'm against the 2nd amendment entirely. I still think it shouldn't be there to protect gun ownership specifically, but that it should protect the right to rise up against an oppressive government. I think the specific wording of the amendment should be changed.

That, however, is a universal right to mankind and no document can make a claim against it, for it would be simple human nature to resist and therefor that fact alone would render any real need for a right like that in any kind of legal form to be almost arbitrary.

I've never been opposed to people owning guns, I've been opposed to people owning any type of guns they want.
I guess it just comes down to what kind of guns you can own, and who can own them.

I'm pretty sure that's where all our real arguments stem from.

That, and as a Canadian, I don't fear my government.

ilvmybicycle:
i dont fear the government i just dont trust it

ilvmybicycle:
Question for all of you gun owners out there
A or B


a

b

Birdmane:
C:  

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