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CARROTFVCKER:
--- Quote from: .....;3279991 ---Firstly eggit2 I reckon you're really lucky - the trails looks great fun to ride and have clearly been constructed with many hours of loving care, props to the diggers.
Now I'm a digger too, and have been the main, but by no means only, at our trails for approx 10 years. In that time I've met people who hold every opinion I've seen voiced here from welcoming trail hippie to ardent trail Nazi. Our situation is slightly different to most - our trails are council sanctioned and in a public park which means having a diggers only policy just isn't on the cards and personally I wouldn't want it even if it was. However that doesn't mean that I think its completely open season on who gets to use the trails - in the same way I get annoyed if the bmx kids go and trash the adjacent football pitches I won't stand by and let wanton trail destruction occur at the hands of scooter riders/small children who think they're climbing frames/riders with no manners. The argument that just because other people don't ask to ride street spots means you shouldn't show respect to trail builders just doesn't hold up - two wrongs and all that??
Anyway the point is from the look of those pictures that spot is nowhere too public, now obviously I could be wrong about that and fair do's if I am, but personally I would be more than happy for respectful trail riders to ride on the basis that they had the means and ability to fix what they broke. Actually what is slightly less righteous to my mind is then taking photos and posting them on a very well known website. For anyone who is doing there best to keep their trails on the down low the worst thing you can do is advertise their presence here. You might argue you can't tell where they are from the pics but believe me the minute pictures get out people ask questions: they know where you're from, they realise its an old spot they used to ride years back, some little kid pipes up they know where they are etc etc and before you know it your nice little project that had escaped the radar is no longer hush hush. That wouldn't matter nearly so much if along with the influx of riders and hangers on and rubbish, it didn't attract attention from councils and landowners and busybodies all of whom are liable to have your years of hard work flattened as soon as look at them.
As an aside I always try to be welcoming to new comers, old or young, bmx or mtb and know that for every 50 I meet that come and have fun and ride on the dusty sunny days when all's to be done is water, sweep and ride, I'll get one who will be keeping me company on wet, cold February weekends when the real work gets done. As others have pointed out ettiqutte is just manners and common sense - if you arrive at someone else's trails, however public, and the locals are digging go and offer a hand. If you aren't local I certainly wouldn't expect you to give up your whole day but just show willing. It has to be said its the ones that grate are the locals that ride more than I do in the summer but somehow just don't have any free time in the winter, not because they're busy on their own set that I know I have an open invitation to at any time, but because they're sessioning the skatepark in every gap in the showers and the Playstation in between. But c'est la vie.
That's my two penn'orth – well actually a darn sight more but I should be working and this was a welcome distraction – apologies for the essay!
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I agree whole heartedly......... I never said he should have posted pix or anything like that. But for people to throw a fit about him riding is where I find it insane. If half yhe guys on here complaining were somehow to find themselves in Pittsburgh for a day and stumbled on trails with nobody there would they just leave a note? I doubt it, they would just ride and if dudes showed up they would hopefully be polite and thank whoever it was for the work they did and offer to let them come ride where they have trails at.
Jame$:
Yes i would leave a note and yes i have left notes before. I wouldn't dream of riding someone's trails without anyone there, it's disrespectful, simple as that.
It's obviously not far from him and he obviously looked on google earth to find them and then posted pictures of said trails. This is mostly the problem but all he had to do was leave without riding and come back another day when someone might have been there.
It's not difficult to walk away from a trails spot without riding is it? Same as it's pretty easy not to post pictures on a bmx website of someone else's trails without their permission.
We aren't all miserable shit bags in the uk, we just understand how much work goes into a set and therefore we have respect for those who took the time to build them.
CARROTFVCKER:
The one thing for sure is you guys are without a doubt more polite over there. It sucks but in the US as a whole we are pretty fucking rude. I have nothing but respect for anybody who puts time in digging, it ain't easy and it sure as hell isn't the funnest thing to spend time doing. Thank god my wife understands it!
Jame$:
Don't get me wrong, little kids, chavs and the likes still ride trails without any regard for who built them but generally (well here anyways) as long as you're okay with them, explain the situation and not be a prick, they'll be okay and generally leave your trails alone.
Little kids will always be shit bags but older riders should know better.
You have a bloody good misses as well to understand you spending time digging in the woods.
BDSM Master:
--- Quote from: Jame$;3280324 ---Yes i would leave a note and yes i have left notes before. I wouldn't dream of riding someone's trails without anyone there, it's disrespectful, simple as that.
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if they water lips and landings and sweep and patch up some stuff, where's the harm? i ran a set of trails by myself, and i don't have any qualms with people coming to ride, so long as they tidy up a bit. if they do work, who's to even know someone was riding unless they were there? certainly a trails god like you must have surveillance installed at your jumps, to keep detailed records of visitors. if you ride someone's jumps you don't know, leave them looking as good or better than when you got there, simple as that. leave them a note saying you rode and cleaned up, with your number or something. anyone who gets mad about that can suck a fat dick because you're just a worthless cunt then.
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